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09-10-2012 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
We both agree the UTG straddle is -ev in the long run. Again, the only times I would consider doing it is short handed when other players are doing it as well. Against weaker competition I always want to play bigger pots.

If your question is what is more profitable either UTG straddle or playing the Button without a straddle, I would say playing the button without a straddle. Or if its between utg straddle or button straddle, then button straddle.

Overall I would not play six or less handed if no one is straddling.
Good stuff serio. Look me up down the road if you are back in Vegas.
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09-10-2012 , 07:55 PM
I'm curious out of the top 10 ten responders to this thread frequently offering advice vs simple encouragement, how many play BM cash NLTH any limit at least four days or avg 30+ hours a week in a chair at the tables?

I'm asking so I know who is talking from real experience vs what they read or simply believe to be solid info they offer? Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of regular players who are better than full time players, they are knowledgeable and dangerous, and always get respect at the table.

Are you a full time player depending on poker for a living or at least a major portion of your monthly nut?

Are you a regular player playing at least 2-3 days a week either the winnings go toward living costs are just a bonus?

Are you a semi regular player playing at least 6 days a month, your regular job pays your bills?

90% of your experience is online poker and hardly any BM cash game poker?

In addition would anyone who has lived solely off of playing poker for 9 months or more success or failure acknowledge who they are.

As for me, I have worked as a Prop, worked in card rooms at a variety of positions, have lived off online & BM poker for X period. However it does help to have a wife with a good job, (we always split our monthly nut). I've also managed a $10 million a year regional locations for major company, and several other businesses. I'm older than most (way older than the OP) on this forum and have been in and out of cardrooms as either a player or employee since the early 1980s.

The advice about a car:
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Going without a car sounds like a horrible idea. Juicy games can run really late. You're going to get up and leave a great table at 1:20am so you can make the bus to go home?

Just typing that right now is putting me on tilt.
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I live in vegas and gambool 4 a living. U must have a car. Thinking you dont need 1 is absolutely moronic. Time is $ and dicking around with public transportation at the end of a long day or prior to starting a long day costs u valuable time.

Life as a gambler is stressful enough - adding the stress of not having a vehicle is setting you up for failure...99+% of people who set out to be pros fail. Want proof go to any taxi stand in vegas (all those cabbies didnt set out to be cabbies)
IMHO this is sound advice that should not be ignored. Even a scooter or MC would be preferable over no private transportation.

As an example 8pm Sat nite in 1-3 NL I join a table with and a player my age has nearly $2000 in chips stacked in front of him (max buy-in $300). He is wearing a WSOP Main Event Tshirt & BB hat. I never have seen him before, I want to take a piece of his stack. I get the seat to his left. Lots of conversation with WSOP and one seat change about 2 hours later I decide I have to change tables and find easier pickings the table & his chip stack had drawn other good players, I'm down about $250, new table make $430, move to another new table make $200. So I want to make another run at WSOP and again get the seat to his left. One hour later am busted by him for $200. Go to another juicy table cash out $300, however it is 3 am and the games are breaking down WSOP is still playing. I tell the floor I want back on WSOP table but since there are 3 tables left and they are all losing players I would be left to the luck of drawing a card for the seat with WSOP. Instead I find the shortest stack on WSOP table and offer him $20 for the seat. He accepts. WSOP and I are very friendly except he knows I want a piece of his stack, instead of playing he is now folding hands, I know he is about to cash out. I double my $200 buy-in and with $400 I want to get involved in hands with him, however he is in fold mode. His stack is down to $1600 the cards had been running over him all nite, his big card hands mostly held up, he finally gets up to get chip racks. He leaves and I'm on a table with 4 or 5 tuff players and 3 rec players, I manage to make another $150 about 3 hands later and leave.

My point is that the opportunity to make some big coin was there, I didn't get that money this time, but going after the big chip whale who are NOT top rec or pro players has paid off many times before. Without private transportation you are limiting your opportunities. In our area there are multiple card rooms, players with lots of loose cash to loose float around to the different card rooms trying their luck at a different room. It only takes a couple of questions to find out where the best game is and drive there.

Last edited by cinnkid; 09-10-2012 at 08:03 PM.
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09-10-2012 , 07:59 PM
OP BTW good luck on your quest....

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Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined.
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09-10-2012 , 08:13 PM
Cinkid,

You should be able to decipher a players ability by the contents of their postings/ threads.

What was the purpose of your long unending post?
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09-10-2012 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cinnkid
I'm curious out of the top 10 ten responders to this thread frequently offering advice vs simple encouragement, how many play BM cash NLTH any limit at least four days or avg 30+ hours a week in a chair at the tables?

I'm asking so I know who is talking from real experience vs what they read or simply believe to be solid info they offer? Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of regular players who are better than full time players, they are knowledgeable and dangerous, and always get respect at the table.

Are you a full time player depending on poker for a living or at least a major portion of your monthly nut?

Are you a regular player playing at least 2-3 days a week either the winnings go toward living costs are just a bonus?

Are you a semi regular player playing at least 6 days a month, your regular job pays your bills?

90% of your experience is online poker and hardly any BM cash game poker?

In addition would anyone who has lived solely off of playing poker for 9 months or more success or failure acknowledge who they are.

As for me, I have worked as a Prop, worked in card rooms at a variety of positions, have lived off online & BM poker for X period. However it does help to have a wife with a good job, (we always split our monthly nut). I've also managed a $10 million a year regional locations for major company, and several other businesses. I'm older than most (way older than the OP) on this forum and have been in and out of cardrooms as either a player or employee since the early 1980s.

The advice about a car:


IMHO this is sound advice that should not be ignored. Even a scooter or MC would be preferable over no private transportation.

As an example 8pm Sat nite in 1-3 NL I join a table with and a player my age has nearly $2000 in chips stacked in front of him (max buy-in $300). He is wearing a WSOP Main Event Tshirt & BB hat. I never have seen him before, I want to take a piece of his stack. I get the seat to his left. Lots of conversation with WSOP and one seat change about 2 hours later I decide I have to change tables and find easier pickings the table & his chip stack had drawn other good players, I'm down about $250, new table make $430, move to another new table make $200. So I want to make another run at WSOP and again get the seat to his left. One hour later am busted by him for $200. Go to another juicy table cash out $300, however it is 3 am and the games are breaking down WSOP is still playing. I tell the floor I want back on WSOP table but since there are 3 tables left and they are all losing players I would be left to the luck of drawing a card for the seat with WSOP. Instead I find the shortest stack on WSOP table and offer him $20 for the seat. He accepts. WSOP and I are very friendly except he knows I want a piece of his stack, instead of playing he is now folding hands, I know he is about to cash out. I double my $200 buy-in and with $400 I want to get involved in hands with him, however he is in fold mode. His stack is down to $1600 the cards had been running over him all nite, his big card hands mostly held up, he finally gets up to get chip racks. He leaves and I'm on a table with 4 or 5 tuff players and 3 rec players, I manage to make another $150 about 3 hands later and leave.

My point is that the opportunity to make some big coin was there, I didn't get that money this time, but going after the big chip whale who are NOT top rec or pro players has paid off many times before. Without private transportation you are limiting your opportunities. In our area there are multiple card rooms, players with lots of loose cash to loose float around to the different card rooms trying their luck at a different room. It only takes a couple of questions to find out where the best game is and drive there.
Interesting post. Thanks for the advice.
I have been giving lots of thought to the transportation dilemma. Im considering a bicycle. It hardly ever rains or snows in Vegas. I would be far more mobile on a bike and Vegas has lots of bike paths now. It's also good exercise.

Thanks for the advice and the encouragement. I enjoyed your story about WSOP. Good stuff.
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09-10-2012 , 09:10 PM
LoL at cinnkid demanding resumes ITT. I will be nice enough to answer though: Cinnkid, we are all better than you.


I hope that works for you. I tried to make my response as clear and concise as possible so you would understand.
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09-11-2012 , 12:31 AM
Sorry if some may have been offended that someone actually asked about real-world experience. I bad!
Like others I enjoy reading about real world experiences. The OP is laying open his life for all to see and welcomes comments & advice no qualifications necessary. While it has been made clear to me I rank at the bottom "Cinnkid we are all better than you", I can accept that evaluation. Best to ALL!
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09-11-2012 , 02:05 AM
Cinnkid, this is OP's thread and your question could serve to seriously derail it. If you want to know about someone you can: create your own thread, search post histories, or pm the individuals directly. You are welcome to PM me anytime because I would love to tell you how much better I am.
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09-11-2012 , 05:34 AM
yeah, cinnkid if you wanna know my credentials check out my blog/thread. i don't quite meet your minimums (i've played about 12 hours this month but i really haven't felt like playing the last couple of days).
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09-11-2012 , 12:37 PM
cinnkid - Ill answer

play full time
no job for a very long time
used to play on line
prior to on line was a road gambler
I make a good living
been doing it for way too long
when i meet young dudes i encourage em to find something else to do
graduated college high honors
mid life regrets a plenty
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09-11-2012 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
cinnkid - Ill answer

play full time
no job for a very long time
used to play on line
prior to on line was a road gambler
I make a good living
been doing it for way too long
when i meet young dudes i encourage em to find something else to do
graduated college high honors
mid life regrets a plenty
Thanks squid face for your post, your "need an auto reply" (which I quote in my op) was the reason I posted my original post.

It wasn't an attempt to derail this thread, it was intended to help the OP achieve his goal. Amongst all the well wishers, and "how" to if I were going to try thoughts, is some genuine important info based on real world experience, such as "squid face". That valuable info should receive careful consideration.

I'm looking forward to PolProf next post following his quest.

As for those who can't leave it alone, note I did offer an apology and wishing you the best if offended. Instead of ragging or flaming on me lets get back to the OP and his quest.
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09-11-2012 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PolProf
Trip Report:

So this last weekend, I went with my best friend and two other friends to Cherokee. For those who don't know this is an Indian casino in the mountains of NC. It has the poker tek electronic tables. These tables allow you to buy in for 60-500 and you each have a little view screen that shows your cards as well as some statistics on your play. There is no dealer and no chips per se. You see about 40-50 hands per hour and it plays a little bit like online in that people seem to play a bit looser.

The drive was about 3.5 hours and we all 4 decided to get lunch shortly after leaving. As we were a about to get back on the interstate, Barney Fife pulls up behind us and switches on his lights.

My buddy pulls over and the officer comes to window. The conversation;

Officer: Hello sir. The reason I pulled you over is because you have an expired sticker on your license plate and the car is not registered

My buddy: really? Its run out?

Officer: Yes sir. In April.

Lol. We all started dying laughing after the cop walked away. My friend said he may have remembered getting a notice about that. After getting the citation we were back on our way.

We got to the Hoiday Inn Express across from the casino and hit the new updated poker room at about 6:00. The room has been moved upstairs and boasts 14 poker tek tables, flat screens, a cashier cage in the room, massage therapists and servers. It was a nice update to the room and the additions they have made to the casino are moves in the right direction. The addition of getting real cards at the table games seemed to be drawing a slightly younger crowd as normally this place is full of blue hairs betting their social security checks.

We got seated a few minutes later and I bought in for $300. The room was a bit dead for a Friday night with only 4 tables running. My table consisted of the normal mixture of nits and weak tight players. It seemed a bit nuttier than normal. Apparently the labor day weekend had been awesome in terms of turnout so the room had more regs than normal.

Had a few interesting hands but nothing major

Me ($190). Pick up AK. Raise to $8
V1 utg +1 (65). Calls
CO (220) calls

Pot $25

Flop 4 7 2. Two diamonds. I check. V1 checks. CO checks.

Turn J. I decide this is a good barrel card. I bet $15. V1 calls. Leaving him $42. CO folds. pot is $55

River was a blank. I bet $25 trying to make it look valuish. V1 folds.

V1 looked away after the river hit and started watching TV. I took this as he was completely disinterested in the hand and bluffed at it.

Misplayed a hand kind of bad.

I have JJ in the cutoff. Several limpers including the villain in early mp (60). I make it $16 straight. Everyone folds except villain who calls leaving him $44. Pot is 45.

Flop is K T 3. Villain shoves $44 in. So I'm getting 2-1. I call and villains AK holds up.

Villain limped alot but didn't raise much. I couldn't put him on AK but when I stoves his range I think this is a bad call on my part. Thoughts ?

I got moved to a reg infested table and actually won a couple hands. I played 6 hours and made $2. Ha!!

Dumb quote of the night. Guy is taking about a home game he plays.

" I play this .50/1 game that plays more like 2/5 or even 5/10" Wut?

Saturday.

Played two sessions. The morning season was pretty bad. After 2.5 hours i was down $376. I misplayed jacks and lost to a set. Three times I flopped the nut flush draw with a gutshot as well as two overs and misses it all to the river.

Bad plays cost me about $100 and missed monster draws cost me another $150 at least.

It was just disastrous.

My buddy treated me to lunch at Brio. It's right beside the poker room and it's pretty good. I recommend it.

Played 5 hours plus in the afternoon and made a bit of a comeback. Ran up + 329

Again misplayed hands cost me.

V1(400). Young Asian kid. Seemed weak tight but this was early on. Claimed he had never had a losing session at live poker and had played 5/10 in Vegas and won thousands. I asked how long he had been playing and he said 6 months. Fail
V2(180): calling station. No aggression. Could have any two cards in any situation.

ME(280). Tight image.

2 limpers plus V1 and V2.
I have AJ in the SB. I decide to just call. BB checks. Pot is $12

Flop is A 6 2. Checks to V1 who bets. $4. V2 calls. I didn't really know what to make of this bet. Weak ace, set , two pair. I just call. Other limpers fold.

Pot is $24.

Turn is J. No flush out there.

V1 bets $15. V2 calls. I decide to just call as well. Let this kid hang himself.

Pot is $65

River is a blank. I check and V1 bets $35. V2 bets $35. I'm getting well over 3-1. For some reason I fold. I dont know why but I just felt that kid had a set of 6s or 2s. V2 calls and V1 shows A6 for two pair.

In talking with the kid i told him I had AJ and he said "your calling to catch that J. Why fold? " he was right. I played it really badly.

In any case I managed to win a few pots including from the Asian kid. I flatted a raise in the SB with 88 and on a 989 flop we got it all in as he had 92. Lol.

Overall I played better in the evening session but not great.

I talked to a reputable source who gave me great info on what's possible to earn at 1-2. I don't want to give specifics because he asked me not to but I have every reason to put faith in his numbers. My estimates were pretty close to his so that makes me feel a bit better.

So results for the trip

14 hours played. -$43. After expenses the trip cost me about $250. Still I learned more. Made a few new contacts. Got mistaken for someone famous. Had a guy put his hand on my leg when the third flush card came out (he wasn't even in the hand). Good times.

BR. $4350
Hours played : 152
Profit/Loss: $3027
Hourly: $19.90

I'll be hitting the local card room this week so further updates to come.
Why is no one commenting on these hands..... Op from someone who has made the same journey as you when you get out here please try and make as many friends as you can to discuss poker with. I'm not going to clutter up this thread with criticism and what not but if you would like to discuss those hands or any in the future pm me
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09-11-2012 , 11:36 PM
its a wall of text... post individual hands.
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09-11-2012 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
its a wall of text... post individual hands.
This.

Op one or two hands with seperate postings would be easier for us. We at 2+2 have short attention spans.
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09-12-2012 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
its a wall of text... post individual hands.
Will do going forward. Sorry for the wall of text. Def hard to read.
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09-12-2012 , 10:56 AM
Quick update

Went to court today. A former employer owes me back wages. I don't want to say the amount but it's significant. Unfortunately they have been ducking the sheriffs summons so they did not get served. Now it's going to get pushed out another month. Which means Vegas is on hold another month. Very frustrating.

Also something else has come up.

I am not looking to get involved with anyone as I am coming out of a 7 year relationship. However....I think im falling for my massage therapist. It's mutual and no, it's not THAT kind of massage. Totally professional.

She's really unlike any woman I have ever met. She's really cool, sexy as hell with a ridiculous body. She has a great world view to always looking for the positive.

Suddenly what seemed like a super clear path to Vegas has gotten murky. I'm kind of at a loss to know what to do.

More to come...
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09-12-2012 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PolProf
Quick update

Went to court today. A former employer owes me back wages. I don't want to say the amount but it's significant. Unfortunately they have been ducking the sheriffs summons so they did not get served. Now it's going to get pushed out another month. Which means Vegas is on hold another month. Very frustrating.

Also something else has come up.

I am not looking to get involved with anyone as I am coming out of a 7 year relationship. However....I think im falling for my massage therapist. It's mutual and no, it's not THAT kind of massage. Totally professional.

She's really unlike any woman I have ever met. She's really cool, sexy as hell with a ridiculous body. She has a great world view to always looking for the positive.

Suddenly what seemed like a super clear path to Vegas has gotten murky. I'm kind of at a loss to know what to do.

More to come...
Remember, women are the rake...
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09-12-2012 , 03:04 PM
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Remember, women are the rake...
Yes.

I don't know why I am so infatuated with her.

She claims she put a spell on me. Haha. Who knows?
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09-12-2012 , 07:04 PM
Another I'm going 2 Vegas thread ends in failure
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09-12-2012 , 07:07 PM
Have you unveiled your inner hustler yet?
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09-12-2012 , 07:09 PM
DietMtnDew is one more idiotic post away from the ignore list.
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09-12-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Diet Mountain Dew
Another I'm going 2 Vegas thread ends in failure
I wouldn't go that far. I'm just reassessing a few things. I don't think that's unreasonable at all not is it a failure.

I'm on a quest to find out who I am. I believe I'm a poker player. That doesnt mean I have no life outside of poker. That doesn't mean that I have no interests outside of poker. That doesn't mean if I don't end up in Vegas it's a failure.

I'm not sure what your definition of failure is but if you think like many on this forum seem to think that success will be measured only by me moving to Vegas, playing poker for a living and being a winning player, then I guess I'm a failure. There is so much more to life than your job/career/profession.

I can move to Vegas and play poker for a living and still be a failure at life.
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09-12-2012 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PolProf

I can move to Vegas and play poker for a living and still be a failure at life.
^...LMAO

Reminds me of curious small stakes players; "will you show me if I fold?".....which I respond "I might not even show you if you call"
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09-12-2012 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wombat4hire
DietMtnDew is one more idiotic post away from the ignore list.
And that affects my personal well being HOW?

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Originally Posted by PolProf
I'm on a quest to find out who I am. I believe I'm a poker player. That doesn't mean if I don't end up in Vegas it's a failure.

I'm not sure what your definition of failure is but if you think like many on this forum seem to think that success will be measured only by me moving to Vegas, playing poker for a living and being a winning player, then I guess I'm a failure. There is so much more to life than your job/career/profession.
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Originally Posted by PolProf
SOOOOO

I decided Im moving to Vegas. To take my shot.

Ill be playing $1/$2 to start with an eye towards eventually settling at $2/$5

I might get busted. I might make a go of it. The only failure would be failing to try. I feel I have failed at many things in life and most of them are because I didnt really try hard enough or even try at all. Im not going to make that mistake here. If I fail it wont be due to lack of effort.

RESOURCES

BR: $4000. Not ideal but it is what it is
LE (Living Expenses) 3-4 months, 2 months on credit if needed

PLAN

1) Find a place. Cheap. Safe. I have a friend or two out there who might be able to hook me up somewhere cheap. Still working on that.
2) Move out. Ship car (clunker but it runs). Take minimal items with me.
3) Find part time job. If I can find a part time job on the days Im not playing poker I can offset many of my expenses from living.
4) Put in Study time each week. No Exceptions
5) Exercise. No exceptions
6) Eat Cheap. Travel cheap.
7) No table games, strip clubs ,etc

TIMEFRAME

Hope to move by middle of September

This thread will serve as my blog for random musings, hands, sessions ,progress, etc

I always have a place to come back to if this fails .My parents are older and need my help. They have a nice home back east if I need to come there.

This will either be a new beginning or else a 3-6 month vacation in Vegas. Either way Ill know. Ill know if I can do this or not and what it takes.

Tl;dr Old guy moves to Vegas. Prob goes bust but so what

Let the flames begin
You started a thread telling us you were taking a shot (like so many others) if that shot doesn't get taken - well then this thread ( like so many others) is a failure ............ Jus another pipe dream
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09-12-2012 , 09:29 PM
PolProf: Chill out.

Diet Mountain Dew is the kind of poker player that likes to taunt and berate his opponents to put them on tilt. Its best to just ignore such players and to not feed into their egos.

You got a small bump in your plans and your plans might change. Its not over yet.

No worries she'll be right.
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