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08-05-2012 , 11:57 PM
CARD HOUSE

So recently went with a buddy of mine to play in a local card house. Pretty standard place but there were a few interesting hands and observations.

I bought in for $160 (dealer didn’t have change for a $20) instead of $150. Almost all of the rest of the table bought in for less than me.

One friend of mine who is a good player who plays 5/10 sat in the 4 seat while I was in the 7. I love the end seats as I feel I can see the table better. Fortunately he left after about one hour and he and I really didn’t tangle much.

A guy came to sit in the 6 whom I thought was going to be a loose cannon. He was but he bought in for a whopping $65. No money here everyone’s solid lol.

I really had been staying about even when the following hand came up.

V1: (125) UTG +1 Limps. He’s loose passive

(185)I raise with AK to $10

V2: (225) BTN calls. Semi-Loose passive

$33 in the pot. 3 players

Flop: Q J 8. Double suited. V1 checks

Wet board for sure and Im in a tough spot with the station to my left. I decide to bet and reevaluate on the turn. I figure I am repping some TPTK hands as well I have outs to an A, K or T. Granted some of those outs may make villains 2 pair type hands

I bet $20. V2 Calls. V 1 Calls.

Pot is $93

T 2. Flop now Q J 8 2

V1 checks, I check ,V2 bets $20. I immediately thought this bet was very weak. I don’t know why. I had played with V2 before and he basically bets his strength in a hand transparently.

V1 Folded. I decided to call and make a move on certain rivers.

Pot is $130

River 4. No flush. Board is Q J 8 2 4

I knew I couldn’t win the pot without betting. I put villain on a hand like middle pair or busted straight/flush draw. He’s fairly nitty against better players and I knew I have this image in his mind.

I bet $35. I figured it looked very value-ish. He thought for about 30 seconds and folded showing a J for middle pair. I didn’t much think he had a Q although KQ and QT were certainly within his calling range. A pure bluff? Yeah. I don’t know if I like my line in this hand or not but I am learning.



The only other hand of the night of any interest was against a guy named…well lets not go there. This guy is a big guy with one eye that goes in one direction and one in the other. It’s a little disconcerting to look at as I am never sure which eye he is looking at me with. This guy was in an argument earlier with my friend about who could do more pushups. Hes a nice guy but a donk at the table.

Im in late middle position. Effective stacks are about $175. Folds to me.

Hero: 66. I raise to $7

Folds to Villain (BB): He calls. Pot is $15

Flop is AK6. Two diamonds.

Villain checks. I bet $10. Villain calls.

Pot $35.

Turn is a 3. Villain checks. I bet $25. Villain check raises to $75. This leaves him with like $85.

From what I have seen of villain I don’t think there is anyway he just flatted preflop with AA or KK. Hes semi aggressive and not much of a trappy player with big pairs. 33 doesn’t make much since either given how the hand played out. I put him on a range of AK-AT, A6, A3…flush draws and maybe hands like QJ,QT. The guy likes to makes moves but usually at the wrong time. Im pretty far ahead of that range so I just shoved for the remaining $85.

Pot is like $315.

River is a diamond. I turn over my set. He folds telling someone he had KJ. KJ??? Ok lol.

Rest of the night was uneventful. I did have to listen to this oriental lady and this other guy at the table say “lucky wucky” about a million times. Apparently the guy’s last name was Lucky Wucky (sp?) By the end of the night I was ready to punch myself in the face after hearing it so much.

The guy who I beat with the AK hand was asked by the oriental lady how he lost all his chips. He said “well I gave a bunch of them to the guy at the end of the table (eyes everywhere guy) and then he gave them to my friend here on my right (Me) and I aint getting them back from him.” I took that as a compliment J

HOURS PLAYED: 3.75

PROFIT: +$235

BR: $4735

One last note. On the hand with the set of 66s, “Lucky Wucky” berated me a little for only tipping $3 on a $315 pot. I told him considering this place rakes up to $10 a hand, I felt that’s fair. My tips for the night were $9 according to Poker Journal. So I tipped about $2.40 per hour. If every player at the table did that I think the dealers would come out just fine. BTW “Lucky Wucky” tipped two red birds on an $80 pot he won. I would think hes a losing player in the game just from rake and tips alone.
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08-06-2012 , 10:09 AM
Congrats on the good session!

Have been reading the thread and am definitely rooting for you. Don't let the naysayers get you down. ("Haters gonna hate," as the kids say.)

Looking forward to future updates.
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08-06-2012 , 10:49 PM
$235 bucks / 3 3/4 hour = $62 bucks an hour....easy game

Looking forward to meeting up w/ you in sin city sir!
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08-06-2012 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Under_the_Radar
$235 bucks / 3 3/4 hour = $62 bucks an hour....easy game

Looking forward to meeting up w/ you in sin city sir!
nice job. that's pretty standard for a winning session. the problem is the losing sessions.
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08-07-2012 , 09:35 AM
Just finished rereading this article by Negreanu

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/a...negreanu02.htm

I think Daniel has it right here. Play hours not sessions. I want to use this approach to my play in Vegas.
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08-07-2012 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PolProf
Just finished rereading this article by Negreanu

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/a...negreanu02.htm

I think Daniel has it right here. Play hours not sessions. I want to use this approach to my play in Vegas.
"...Then someone would ask me,"How much are you winnin' kid?" I would reply,"Well what time is it? 2pm? Let's see, $86.44." Nobody every understood what I was talking about, but that's the way I 'trained' myself to see it.

After all, we all know by now that wins and losses aren't how you measure your profits at poker, it's your hourly rate. My hourly rate in that game was $43.33. Multiply that by two and you get $86.44. Simple right? OK."


Apparently, not so simple.
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08-07-2012 , 05:27 PM
No. If you re-read it he was playing for two hours before he was asked the question. So even though he had $1200 worth of chips at an hourly win rate of $43 he was really only $86 profitable since he went by the 2 hours not by the stacks.
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08-07-2012 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
"...Then someone would ask me,"How much are you winnin' kid?" I would reply,"Well what time is it? 2pm? Let's see, $86.44." Nobody every understood what I was talking about, but that's the way I 'trained' myself to see it.

After all, we all know by now that wins and losses aren't how you measure your profits at poker, it's your hourly rate. My hourly rate in that game was $43.33. Multiply that by two and you get $86.44. Simple right? OK."


Apparently, not so simple.
Haha. A typo im sure.
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08-10-2012 , 05:52 PM
I've been listening to the Deuces Cracked podcasts today. These are really good sources of info about lots of topics related to poker. Plan on playing some more tonight in the local card room so we shall see what I learned.
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08-10-2012 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PolProf
I've been listening to the Deuces Cracked podcasts today. These are really good sources of info about lots of topics related to poker. Plan on playing some more tonight in the local card room so we shall see what I learned.
be careful. i like bart's stuff a lot, but ... sometimes it isn't optimal, at least not for $1/$2.
i keep thinking about signing up for crushlivepoker on LATB but then another week comes and goes.
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08-11-2012 , 09:11 PM
Ugh. So my car is giving me problems. I think it's something with the transmission. I really don't want to spend the money to fix it soooo

I'm going to sell it and go carless in Vegas.

There are def pros and cons to not having a car and I'd like to hear your opinions
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08-11-2012 , 09:34 PM
Fly to Vegas, buy a car when you get there. Everyday there's 400 ad's on Craigslist for a decent/reliable car in the $2,000 - $2,500 range. I'm getting ready to buy one myself.
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08-11-2012 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Under_the_Radar
Fly to Vegas, buy a car when you get there. Everyday there's 400 ad's on Craigslist for a decent/reliable car in the $2,000 - $2,500 range. I'm getting ready to buy one myself.
That's a though UTR.
I'm going to try going carless at least for a bit. I've actually never done it before as I actually have no desire to have a nice car or even 'A' car. They are a means of getting from point A to point B for me.

For the cost of flying and paying to move my stuff I can rent a car and drive out. This enables me to still take advantage of the total rewards program plus see some of the country. Thoughts??
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08-12-2012 , 12:09 AM
If the numbers crunch well and you're a road trip guy, definitely drive. It could be really fun! I would love to do a road trip poker trip.
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08-12-2012 , 12:10 AM
If you're going to sell your car, why not put your stuff in a PODS storage unit. You could then stay at an extended stay place and not move your stuff until you get a feel for how you're going to do out in Vegas. If you do good, pay to have your stuff moved via PODS. If not, your stuff is in storage and you only paid the storage fees vice moving it to Vegas and then back to NC.
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08-12-2012 , 01:26 AM
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/3195676112.html

$1200 bucks for a Honda w/ less than 100k miles....seems like a fair deal to me
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08-12-2012 , 07:35 AM
I've never been carless. Don't think I could do it in Vegas though. Cab fares would add up quickly and standing around in 100 degree + heat waiting on a bus doesn't sound very appealling to me. A $1200 honda sounds like just the thing!
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08-12-2012 , 07:59 AM
Lots of people in Las Vegas use their good bus system.
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08-13-2012 , 05:34 PM
Can I get back from the casinos late at night ? I know cabs are an option but the thought of walking late at night possibly with a decent sum of money on my person is not appealing. Do the buses run late?
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08-13-2012 , 06:51 PM
You need to check out:
RTC

I examined "the 202" which runs up and down flamingo. It's last stop on
Las vegas blvd is at 1:34 am.

So I think the answer is yes. If you are ahead in $$ at 1:00am
then you can afford a cab ride should you want to stay later.

Also using google maps you can get bus routes between two locations.
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08-13-2012 , 07:11 PM
Going without a car sounds like a horrible idea. Juicy games can run really late. You're going to get up and leave a great table at 1:20am so you can make the bus to go home?

Just typing that right now is putting me on tilt.
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08-13-2012 , 08:38 PM
Look I think our hero's plan would be to take the bus as a temporary solution until he can acquire a car.

Or perhaps figure out his best option. The cost of a bus is cheaper than a car, but a car makes him more flexible, and so on ... Maybe take a bus in and a taxi back, maybe carpool. But to start I think a bus is a reasonable option.

BTW if its a juicy game that runs late I presume our hero would have at least made cab fare and can choose to take a taxi home instead of a bus. Oh wait I said that already.

In fact if he has a decent sum of money to take home, then a taxi might be the best solution.

Also only in America dose there seem to rampant fear of public transportation. Makes me ashamed.
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08-13-2012 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Combo-Prof
Look I think our hero's plan would be to take the bus as a temporary solution until he can acquire a car.

Or perhaps figure out his best option. The cost of a bus is cheaper than a car, but a car makes him more flexible, and so on ... Maybe take a bus in and a taxi back, maybe carpool. But to start I think a bus is a reasonable option.

BTW if its a juicy game that runs late I presume our hero would have at least made cab fare and can choose to take a taxi home instead of a bus. Oh wait I said that already.

In fact if he has a decent sum of money to take home, then a taxi might be the best solution.

Also only in America dose there seem to rampant fear of public transportation. Makes me ashamed.
Agreed on the cab. A late session whether up or down will result in a cab home.

I can always get a car down the road I suppose.
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08-14-2012 , 04:39 AM
The poker world is really pretty small. It seems easiest enough to start making a circle of poker freinds. One thing leeds to another, next you'll get a text from so-n-so telling you there's a juicy game over at X Casino right now, sure is nice to jump in your car and be there in 10 minutes.
Then next, you're playing a ABC Casino and the gaame doesn't seem good so you jump in your car and go take a look at XYZ Casino to see if that game is any better. You get to XYZ and discover there isn't a good game there, so you think you'll just call it a an early night....but driving home the thought crosses your mind that maybe, just maybe, Brand B Casino might have a good game running.....yup, you'll stop by and see. You arrive at Brand B Casino, walk in and find a great game going, you sit down and play for hours...you're feeling good, playing good, and its a good game.
All of this running around in a taxi or Bus takes extra time and hassle, but what it really does is cost you money. There is only one of you and only so many hours in the day, and to narrow that down even more generally there is a smaller window of "prime" playing time -time frames where you're more apt to find better games.
So we're back to time & efficency, make a business choice; "where can I make the most money" -the answer is that sometimes you have to go look around and *find* that game. I'll stand pat with my opinion that its not just *easy* to justify the cost of car, its a necessity in this occupation. In fact I'll go so far as to say that not having a car, hell call it personal transportation -you could ride a moped (good moped cost $900, not required to have insurance or drivers licence -but obviously more dangerous than driving a car) anyway....not having a car will cost you way more than the missed opporunities at making money in a good game -oppotunties that you won't even realize you're missing.
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08-14-2012 , 05:04 AM
Well maybe so, but I think if he can get to center strip (Flamingo nr Las Vegas Blvd) he is with in walking distance of so many card rooms that he can get by without a car. Later when he is more established .... sure get a car.

But wait if the plan is to get a job first .... then yes he will probably need a car.
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