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PokerCast Episode 168 - Special Report: Black Friday, Aftermath of the Online Poker Indictments PokerCast Episode 168 - Special Report: Black Friday, Aftermath of the Online Poker Indictments

04-19-2011 , 08:26 PM
What I think the show needs to focus on right now is what's next for US poker players. I went to Mohegan Sun over the weekend and there are a lot of online players that I spoke with who are pissed but at the same time see this as an opportunity to take their game to the live felt and the majority of live games are very soft - IMO. If you have any skill as an online player you could easily transition to live games and make some good money. The hard part about the transition from online to live is the fact that you can only play 1 hand at a time (wont be multi-tabling) and need to make sure you are aware of your TELLS... and of course patience (which a lot of online players will lack since the live game can be very slow).

Also, I think Two Plus Two should have a pulse on what's going on in the casino games (cash and tournaments). Most if not all casino's have regular players that are registered with that casino with a player's card. Maybe you can have the casino send you monthly results of what player is cashing big at the tables? Or have someone who can go the casino and report back to you - like a poker journalist. I mean, I live in CT and play at Foxwoods and Mohengan Sun - it wouldn't be hard for me to go there and talk to people and set something up where I can get a monthly report and then send that back to the Poker Cast (If that's something you would be interested in). I'm sure you guys could find others in Vegas, LA, etc. who are willing to do the same.

This is an uncertain time for online poker but IMO poker is about to see a 2nd BOOM from this and the casinos are in line to see HUGE profits in the coming years. Poker is not going away - much like alcohol didn't go away in the prohibition days. This has great potential for not only online poker to become legal in the coming years but until that happens to get to know who the online poker player is and what the game means to him and how will he adjust in this aftermath. I think there are great stories to be told here and I hope your show is at the frontline and willing to go that extra mile. Don't change your show to some other time zone or talk about some overseas online tournaments no one but those overseas give a **** about. The US Poker Player is not dead! US Online Poker might be dead, for now - but we are still here and we want to be heard!
04-19-2011 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by snatch126
Also, I think Two Plus Two should have a pulse on what's going on in the casino games (cash and tournaments). Most if not all casino's have regular players that are registered with that casino with a player's card. Maybe you can have the casino send you monthly results of what player is cashing big at the tables? Or have someone who can go the casino and report back to you - like a poker journalist. I mean, I live in CT and play at Foxwoods and Mohengan Sun - it wouldn't be hard for me to go there and talk to people and set something up where I can get a monthly report and then send that back to the Poker Cast (If that's something you would be interested in). I'm sure you guys could find others in Vegas, LA, etc. who are willing to do the same.
thx for listening. Live Tornament results we already get, cash games - never. In a million years, no casino would share with a 'poker reporter' how much money players are winning and losing at their casino. Nor would most players ever want that information revealed. Remember, the win/loss stats that we currently getting from online games are collected using software that is not endorsed by the poker room or the player.

Also, there are hundreds of poker rooms around the world. How would you decide which casinos to report results from even if you could get the data.
04-19-2011 , 08:31 PM
An interesting angle for Canadians is whether Canadian banks will take it upon themselves to stop allowing transactions with the sites indicted.

A few years back Scotia bank decided online poker was evil and disallowed transactions, as did TD for any of their "student" products.
04-19-2011 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SleepyLaBeef
Strategy segment definitely made me sad. Felt like getting hitting tips after you've been ruled out for the season with an injury.
what about hearing the password?I usually put it into my phone for sundays tourney. this really sucks
04-19-2011 , 08:33 PM
Thanks again guys for doing this, your show really lifts me up during work, i cant wait to listen to 168 tomm. I promise, when i make it, i will happily do a guest appearance
04-19-2011 , 09:37 PM
Listening now....

SO BUMMED about this crizzap....

Stona is missing? WTH?

Adam: Was up in San Luis Obispo this weekend and saw some Omaha hi-lo being played at the Central Coast Casino. Game looked juicy.....
04-19-2011 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
thx for listening. Live Tornament results we already get, cash games - never. In a million years, no casino would share with a 'poker reporter' how much money players are winning and losing at their casino. Nor would most players ever want that information revealed. Remember, the win/loss stats that we currently getting from online games are collected using software that is not endorsed by the poker room or the player.

Also, there are hundreds of poker rooms around the world. How would you decide which casinos to report results from even if you could get the data.

I know Mohegan Sun has Player of The Month for both tournaments and cash games. It wouldn't be easy to get all the stats but I think it could be done to some degree. And the way to decide which casinos... I would pick the big name casinos - the top 20. Just an idea I'm throwing out there, not saying you should do it... just a thought.
04-19-2011 , 09:58 PM
bout halfway through this episode after my drive to Orlando and back. already have one golden out of context moment, at the 02:00:00 mark:

MJ: "I would love to have a little Shaun Deeb action for a while...but I'm not sure if that's something that I'd want for too long."
(as Adam chuckles in the background)

Also - props to MJ for infusing some bourbon in the Podcast. Nothing wrong with adding a little something to it. Drink what you enjoy, my friend. Some bourbon snobs would chastise you for mixing it, but I am not one of them.
04-19-2011 , 11:56 PM
Listened to every minute. Very informative show other than the first guest.
04-19-2011 , 11:57 PM
Great show as always guys.

I'm craving Wyder's Pear Cider bad now!
04-20-2011 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Clockblocker
+1

Online Poker never come back to the US? cmon son that is not well thought out.
If you think some national, licensed poker site is coming to the USA any time soon, get real. A few states may offer them and a few underground sites will always be around. But the grinders' dream of a giant, legal site full of fish from coast to coast isn't coming.
04-20-2011 , 12:31 AM
epic show guys, great guests...
04-20-2011 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Listened to every minute. Very informative show other than the first guest.
Ah, he was alright, just a little grumpy and pessimistic.
04-20-2011 , 01:08 AM
Excellent programme this week. Does you all great credit.

You mention the future for the Pokercast and the international aspect.

You've proved through various interviews that people like Victoria Coren and Neil Channing are able to provide hugely entertaining and informative material. Without online play in the USA poker becomes more diversified and therefore the use of correspondents, espeically correspondents who you know well and have a strong track record is a good way forward.

Would the Pokercast be any the worse for a 10 minute section each week on UK play from Neil or Victoria or would any number of Euro players not be able to do the same about mainland Europe and similar for Aus, Canada and elsewhere.

Give Alan Boston a few more minutes on life in the US and I could think of loads of people who'd give you great content on life as a live player on the new casino circuit.

You might even get David Sklansky out of the cupboard a bit more often...but on second thoughts...maybe not!

It's still the Mike, Adam and Bunner programme but there's a mountain of material to fill a couple of hours every week from more sources than you might first think.
04-20-2011 , 01:12 AM
FYI. I am a player from the US and I will still be listening to the pokercast every week.
04-20-2011 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisMystery
FYI. I am a player from the US and I will still be listening to the pokercast every week.
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04-20-2011 , 01:50 AM
Great show. I listened to the whole thing. Looking forward to next week's show.
04-20-2011 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Listened to every minute. Very informative show other than the first guest.
04-20-2011 , 04:02 AM
What direction should the pokercast take?

It should do what it has always done so well - talk about what's going on in the world of poker and on 2p2, regardless of what country it's from. Please don't turn it into the 3hr weekly update about US online poker, or the Hockey + Alan Boston's sports betting show. Obviously you're still going to talk about all of those things, and that's great. But online poker isn't going away, it's just going to be a lot of different people from different countries that are the new superstars.

Online poker in the US may be going away for a while, but poker isn't, and there's still plenty of great guests that you can have on, and stories to talk about.
04-20-2011 , 04:03 AM
Also, I actually thought Todd Terry was quite a good guest, apart from his statement that online poker may never be seen in the US again. Maybe he can elaborate on here why he feels this way. Firstly, there still in online poker in the US, with Bodog, Cake etc. And most people think that regulation is not that far away. It might be regulation that screws the players, but it's still online poker. Why does he not think this will happen?
04-20-2011 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostFacedKiller
Also, I actually thought Todd Terry was quite a good guest, apart from his statement that online poker may never be seen in the US again.... Firstly, there still in online poker in the US, with Bodog, Cake etc.
Terry is talking about big, mainstream sites with hundreds of thousands of American users. Bodog and Cake are not robust sites and are quite player UNfriendly in that they discourage winning players.
04-20-2011 , 04:54 AM
just referring to your statement that usa is the only country in the world that may not have access to online poker along with northkorea, but they even might.

they definitely dont. there is neither internet nor mobile network available. the regime is scared that the people get access to foreign media.
04-20-2011 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Need Some Coaching
Terry is talking about big, mainstream sites with hundreds of thousands of American users. Bodog and Cake are not robust sites and are quite player UNfriendly in that they discourage winning players.
He may be talking about big sites, but he didn't say that. He said that this was the end of online poker in the US. Even ignoring these sites, most people disagree with him, so it would be nice to hear why he thinks that. (He may have gone into a lot of detail, I'll listen again sometime, but that was a huge show + I can't remember everything that was said).
04-20-2011 , 05:38 AM
That Todd Terry, I understand he is very respected and he put his thoughts across well but cmon....dont you realise history dictates prohibition never works?
04-20-2011 , 05:48 AM
It didn't really hit me how big Black Friday was until I listened to the show.

"Cash Grab" is bang on, The DOJ just pulled off the biggest Big stack shove I ever did see, and I am worried for our American friends with loads of cash all safe and secure in the DOJ hands.("It's was Coke.")

"Change has come to America." and Obama just lost how many million votes?

@ Todd Terrry, do you think the American Players will see their rolls again?

      
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