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10-06-2009 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Hey, are there any smart people posting here?

I have this really hard math task, which I just can't stop thinking about PLEASE HELP ME, IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!

It goes as follows:

"the wall around a medieval castle is shaped like a perfect circle."
"There are 4 ports, one in the north, one in the east, one in the west and one in the south."
"3 kilometers NORTH of the NORTH GATE is a group of french soldiers."
"You can JUST spot them if you go 9 kilometers to the EAST of the SOUTH gate."


How long is the wall around the medieval castle?

HEELP!
hmmmm the number i got with 15.7 Kilometers

diameter = 5 KM
5 x 3.14 = 15.7
10-06-2009 , 02:57 PM
look angle going in both directions need to be the same...and its a right triangle. So that means is 45 degrees. We know one of the sides is 9km, and the other side is 3km+diamter of the circle...equals 6.
10-06-2009 , 03:00 PM
We're assuming that the triangle needs to be equilateral in order for the east port to be what blocks our sight-line, no?
10-06-2009 , 03:01 PM
[QUOTE=SammyG-SD;13625225]look angle going in both directions need to be the same...QUOTE]

this may be a bad assumption...

I don't think it needs to be equilateral..but isoscles.
10-06-2009 , 03:05 PM
lol I did it wrong, stupid maths.
10-06-2009 , 03:10 PM
right...definitely isosceles, but we're only concerned with the Eastern half of that triangle. If the eastern port is in the line of sight, then it's gotta be 9-9-9sqrt2 which makes the radius 3 and leads to your answer.
10-06-2009 , 03:11 PM
Solved it graphically...looks like the diameter is 9. Sides of the triangles are 9 and 12.

10-06-2009 , 03:12 PM
I don't think it's that simple, but I may be complicating it. I'm gonna feel dumb when I do all this and get the same answer as someone else.
10-06-2009 , 03:32 PM
Interesting that the point that blocks the sight-line is actually north of the east port. Ew.

Is that geometry sketchpad?
10-06-2009 , 03:33 PM
Visio
10-06-2009 , 03:37 PM
Here's what I did:



Since we know the long side is sqrt(81+((l/pi)+3)^2) you can use end up using similar triangles to come up with a really long expression involving a 4th power equation then I don't remember how to solve those anymore so just cheated graphed on calculator and got same 18.84 that other people got. Guess I just complicated it.
10-06-2009 , 03:44 PM
that's some sexiness right there, zach!
10-06-2009 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oldschool
Man its ghey to say this but i miss learning and i miss school
I miss the learning aspect, and sometimes I start to miss school, but I know that I'd be tired of it within a week.
10-06-2009 , 03:49 PM
Noobs

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Call the diameter of the castle D

Now lets begin at the south gate. 3+D km north is where the soldiers are
You can just see them if you go 9 kilometers east of this gate

Just see them implies that if you go any less than 9 kilometers they'll be hidden by the castle wall. So a tangent to the castle wall drawn from where the soldiers are meets the 'x axis' 9 kilometers to the east. This forms a right angled triangle.

The other relevant information is that the tangent line will be at right angles to a radius, and this distance will be D/2

I'd be inclined to use co-ordinate geometry to solve the problem. We can make it easier if we consider the centre of the circle to be at (0,r), where r=D/2

Let our tangent line be ax+by+c=0

we know that this intercepts the x-axis at (9,0), and the y-axis at (0,3+2r)

put those into the above equation and we get 9a+b(0)+c=0
a(0)+b(3+2r)+c=0

combining we get 9a=-c=3b+2rb

c=-3b-2rb, and a= -c/9 = b/3+2rb/9

so our equation becomes:

x(b/3+2rb/9)+by-3b-2rb=0

divide by b to get
x(1/3+2r/9)+y-3-2r=0

the distance of the centre of the circle is given by the formula

abs[a(0]+b(r)+c]/[sqrt(a^2+b^2)]

=abs[0+1(r)-3-2r]/[sqrt(1/9+4/81r^2 + 4r/27)]

=(3+r)/sqrt() = r (because it is a tangent)

and from there you should be able to solve for r

The length of the wall around the castle is 2*pi*r

/I just pretended to be stupid
10-06-2009 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by richbrown360
hmmmm the number i got with 15.7 Kilometers

diameter = 5 KM
5 x 3.14 = 15.7
please be a level
10-06-2009 , 03:53 PM
I like how an engineer can solve this problem much quicker by drawing it than some one trying to remember the formula for tangents....

reminds me when I took my PE test...I think 85% of the problems could be solved or setup to solve by just drawing what we knew.
10-06-2009 , 04:13 PM
Well if you're taking a real test, you don't have acces to computers and therefore you cannot do these:

10-06-2009 , 04:27 PM
engineering paper FTW
10-06-2009 , 05:03 PM
ruler and protractor FTW.
10-06-2009 , 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
I like how an engineer can solve this problem much quicker by drawing it than some one trying to remember the formula for tangents....

reminds me when I took my PE test...I think 85% of the problems could be solved or setup to solve by just drawing what we knew.
my dad is a PE
10-06-2009 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
my dad is a PE
my dad is a mathematician, and I am a PE....we have lots of nerd jokes between us.
10-06-2009 , 05:20 PM
moar math plz
10-06-2009 , 06:02 PM
I just wanna say that my mom and I love your avatar, hurt.
10-06-2009 , 06:06 PM
why ty

and thank her
10-06-2009 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by richbrown360




boobies make it better?
post more please

sorta balances out the gay sex talk from RE

      
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