Haley Wilde was phenomenal. Then she lost her marbles and went full porn. Still hot, of course, but lost some appeal.

Not true

Not even close to true.

I still don't understand porn collections. There is literally an infinite variety of free everything that takes zero effort to find whenever you want it. What is the point?

Yeah, I did say that, but that's not what you said before.

My main point is that ADDING a third person (or more) into your relationship at a date when the relationship is somewhat mature makes things orders of magnitude more complex (on average) than long term monogamy or long term polyamory or whatever the best alternative relationship type analogue is.

And I think that's especially true now, when, as I said before, there's less societal pressure to conform to the status quo, and two people that are inclined towards that direction will be more likely to be able to identify like minded individuals up front. And I think that's a very positive development.

I have a preference for certain actresses. Yeah, I could find streaming stuff of them, OR I could just download all of their new stuff all the time and then watch it later. In higher quality.

Finding new talent is another story, though.

I'd have to look at your original wording, I think your implication was that the addition of a third person is inherently more stressful or adds a necessarily destabilizing element, rather than something that is simply more complicated (I would agree that meeting the needs, short or long term, of three people is more complex than of two people, unless those three mesh incredibly well).

I wouldn't dispute that there being three people, either as a one shot or a long term relationship element, will necessarily involve more discussions and negotiations, but I don't think that's necessarily something that would destablize or stress out the preexisting couple relationship. That's entirely dependant on the couple in question and the motivations for finding a third.

Nice, that's nice.

Only thing I'd do differently is BTM as Diggler and make Evoken be Reed (i.e., Reilly's character)

I'm just here to agree with everything monte said.

If this is how the LC thread gets its post count back up...I dunno y'all

Feel free to propose another topic, my good man!

I think I'm going to do some couch whiskey and watch a violent movie on account of my wife is out of town and it just seems like an antisocial bachelor thing to do. I realize this isn't a good discussion topic.

I got pretty drunk and watched Boyhood. Would not recommend.

At my age good sex is kind of a lot of work. Bringing another woman into the mix, like, squares the amount of work.

My wife and I have a joke about how we "need another wife" because of all the household duties. But she insists that if we get a new wife that the new wife would have to "do all the sex stuff"

Yeah I keep going back to the same girls = /. Sienna West is definitely my favorite professional hnngggg. I just don't have much preference for variety.

Haley Wild was a good tip. Fapping during my 2 hour lunchbreak.

I had a conversation with the wifeacore about the whole non-monogamy stuff; we've had a few close acquaintances that have had some infidelity issues in the relatively recent past, which colors her opinion. Mostly she just doesn't understand it and gets confused; I have to explain male behavior to her ("Is it because he gets a thrill out of sneaking around?" -- No, it's because he gets a thrill out of someone 10 years younger than his wife wanting to **** him) without seeming to understand things TOO well.

I actually think if I told her I wanted to bring in a bus station prostitute or something along those lines to add some SPICE she'd at least be willing to talk about it, but ultimately I know it would hurt her, and I don't really want anything like that anyway, so it seems that we're relatively well aligned, fortunately (at least for now, to address the incoming asterisk brigade).

Rusty too experienced at the husband arts to fall for that ****.

Classic level 0 wife-ing right there; even BTM could see through that gambit.

Just an observation: monte is the one here who is happily married with kids and **** while the ones arguing pro-polyamory are going through rough breakups or are unaware that the dude they've been shagging for 6 months is their boyfriend or are jerking off 5x a day and chasing foreign poon across the globe.

I have a hard time believing your wife needed the bolded explained to her. Is that a women's college thing too?

Partly that, partly just how she is. Didn't date much in high school, I would guess Barnard isn't super traditional wrt the college experience, she was President of the Catholic Club while there, neither of us are really good at or wired for the hookup culture so she was never exposed it, etc.

There are a lot of pretty simple "here are how guys think" that I have had to explain to her over the last few years, and a few specific items she legit didn't believe me until I had her talk to a few of her less spinster-ish friends. It's just not very intuitive for her at all, for whatever reason.

Or she's been playing the ultra-long con and I'm being cuckholded by the Indiana Pacers while I'm out of town. One of the two.

The weirdest thing here is that I don't think there is lot of true disagreement. The argument was more or less about how common "healthy" threesomes are. The problem is that everyone is speaking qualitatively so it sounds like there is more disagreement than there truly is.

For example, I asked RJ earlier the following

She slightly reformulated the question and gave a guess of 15%. My guess was 10% and I'm firmly in the Monte camp. I'd be a little surprised if anyone on any side of this would give a much different answer despite all of the apparent dissent.

Well without your explanation, I was leaning towards the possibility that she was employing some 5th level wife-ing, but I guess she's just unique in this regard.

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue that polyamory can never work; I'm just arguing that introducing it into an already formed relationship that was created with a presumption of monogamy is probably pretty dicey. I am sure that what RJ and fakeb are presupposing is actually possible: after a number of rational discussions, a couple gradually grows to simultaneously realize that adding extra genitalia and mouths into their sex life is just the jump start they may need or desire, they try it and have a great experience, and it either continues on ad infinitum OR they mutually decide that their desires have been sated and they move back to monogamy with no hiccups.

That said, my limited experience with such arrangements is that the desire to step out of it is rarely perfectly symmetrical, the desire to stop or continue is rarely perfectly synchronous or symmetrical, and potential emotional attachments with the extra members, as it were, in the tryst inevitably develop, which add complexity.

Which is why I keep saying that waiting to get married until you figure some stuff out about yourself and/or explore whatever hedonistic stuff you want to explore is a very, very positive thing. Because god forbid you get the seven year itch when you have three kids (like the husband of one of our couple friends recently did); at that point, it ceases being a cute, experimental journey with your partner and starts being an exercise in selfishness that is guaranteed to **** up your kids.

I'm not arguing for or against poly or monogamy - I think both are valid relationship models. I fully support anyone's decisions about who or how many people they want to screw or date/marry, assuming everyone is of legal age and capable of informed consent.

I was arguing that the inclusion of a third person into a couple relationship is not inherently stressful or destabilizing, it depends completely on the couple and the motivations for finding a third person. Also that the reason most people immediately jump to "oh X and Y had a threesome, that always ends badly" is because we usually only hear about the people for whom these type of adventures end up as fodder for gossip.

Also to ensure all of the relevant data is on hand, I think meeting the youngest child and hanging out at a family event means we are boyfriend/girlfriend even if we've never had a specific relationship talk, but I don't think my sort of blase attitude about that was unwarrented given a) lack of talk and b) amount of time spent together. As often as guys bitch about women always wanting to define relationshps, you'd think my sort of "it is what it is" attitude wouldn't be looked on as a negative.

Finally, Monte is actually the first person to bring up anal in his subtle joke to me, so he's not exactly the wholesome married guy he likes to pretend he is. He's just as perverted as everyone else. He just hides behind his fainting couch.

but seriously Monte dropped some sage wisdom there, re: why men (or people in general, I guess) cheat.