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02-08-2012 , 12:45 PM

#101

Husker

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Just done jury duty for the 1st time. It's time to do an IQ test on those who are selected. I'm disgusted by the outcome.

02-08-2012 , 12:48 PM

#102

gadolparah

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when i went to jury duty i really wanted to be on a case. ended up waiting around for 6-7 hours before getting sent home.

02-08-2012 , 12:50 PM

#103

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Husker

Just done jury duty for the 1st time. It's time to do an IQ test on those who are selected. I'm disgusted by the outcome.

That's the price to pay for being judged by your peers (or for having amateurs play judge).

02-08-2012 , 01:02 PM

#104

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I was the only one out of 15 who went for a guilty verdict (information post verdict practically confirmed this to be the case). Listening to some of the discussions in the jury room was pretty incredible. I think the problem is complicated by the fact we have 3 possible outcomes in my country. Time to scrap one and just get down to guilty or not guilty

02-08-2012 , 01:21 PM

#105

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What's the third option?

02-08-2012 , 01:25 PM

#106

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Not Proven. It's the same result as Not Guilty but the jury is basically saying we think you're guilty but the prosecution just didn't provide enough evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

Almost every year there are calls for it to be done away with and after the last couple of days I agree. I'd say over half the jury thought the guy was guilty but I was the only one who went for that verdict. Having just 2 verdicts is more likely to focus minds and get the proper result.

02-08-2012 , 02:49 PM

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UCDLaCrosse

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what country is this Husker?

02-08-2012 , 03:51 PM

#108

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Scotland.

02-08-2012 , 04:06 PM

#109

EN09

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Quit staring at me, you're still going into the frying pan!

Spoiler:

02-08-2012 , 04:13 PM

#110

kb coolman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Husker

Just done jury duty for the 1st time. It's time to do an IQ test on those who are selected. I'm disgusted by the outcome.

Honestly, I think it would be appropriate to restrict jury selection to non-******s. I don't know how I'd feel about having 'professional' jurors, but I wouldn't immediately object to the idea. It would be harder for lawyers to hoodwink non-schmoes with emotional appeals and tricky logic. Besides, 'jury of your peers' is a ****ing joke when some black guy from the hood is on trial and there a 3-4 soccer moms from the 'burbs on the jury.

02-08-2012 , 04:22 PM

#111

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Sad to say but having a system with professional jurors is just begging for corruption (not saying the system isn't corrupt as hell anyways)

02-08-2012 , 04:29 PM

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Is the trial by peers a strictly American system or do other countries also use it?

Only been called for duty once, I wrote in saying I was a college student and was working and did not have time, I ended up not having to go.

02-08-2012 , 05:18 PM

#113

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If trial by peers just means a jury made up of members of the general public then tons of countries use it.

02-08-2012 , 09:13 PM

#114

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I have jury duty this month. Most times I sit around till noon then go home. Once I was selected for jury panel on a civil suit where someone was suing a construction company for a on-ramp being designed wrong causing them to crash their car (in the rain going the posted speed limit, but not the yellow caution sign speed advisory). When they ask my occupation and I said "engineer" both the defense and prosecutor simultaneously ask for me to be dismissed.

02-08-2012 , 10:41 PM

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i never get asked what my occupation was. I could see "poker player" going either way based on what the trial was for

02-09-2012 , 12:11 AM

#116

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makes me sad

02-09-2012 , 10:49 AM

#117

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Is the trial by peers a strictly American system or do other countries also use it?

We have professional judges who work together with lay magistrates; the latter have not read law and stay in office for 5 years.

02-09-2012 , 12:47 PM

#118

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How are the judges elected and how do they retain office?

02-09-2012 , 01:21 PM

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kb coolman

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So very sad, but I'm not the least bit surprised. Engineers have a tricky tendency to deal in the empirical more than the theoretical, which could make a lawyer's job very difficult without specific evidence.

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How are the judges elected and how do they retain office?

Depends. I think all judges at the Federal level are appointed, either by the President or by panel of other Judges. The criteria for elected judges varies by state, as do their duties.

02-09-2012 , 02:21 PM

#120

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A kind old security guard last night approached me as I was taking pictures of the MIA (Minneapolis Institute of Arts) and told me I couldn't take pictures with a tripod (said it was some MIA rule). He was the type that probably relished the call to come chat with me, he was gentle and talked slowly about his evening, the weather, how pretty the building was. As he left and I packed up my tripod he said "well I should probably get something to eat" and sauntered away. Something about it was really beautiful, he seemed so content with his position and it made me happy.

02-09-2012 , 02:41 PM

#121

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How are the judges elected and how do they retain office?

They are not elected. And they retain office until they retire at 65 or so.

I guess the legal system is completely different. It is all based on written law, not on precedent. So there is little leeway for the judge's decision; if you're not happy with the decision you can appeal it.

Actually I have never studied the legal system carefully... so far I wasn't caught in the act, so it wasn't necessary