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11-22-2009 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ICallHimGamblor
It took me a while, but I think I get it... you guys are levelling, right?

You post nothing but 200 dollar crap Japanese quartz watches and go on and on about your digital Frogman fer Chrissakes, and then bitch about a beautiful Glasshute. I thought you were just being annoying, but you're actually levelling, right?

It's like having a thread for auto enthusiasts and someone keeps posting pics of mid 90s Hondas and bagging on Aston Martins, right?
This is a level, right?
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11-22-2009 , 11:01 AM


It's $40k, ergo, beyond criticism.
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11-22-2009 , 01:07 PM
Oh goodie. Is this going to be another one of your patented arguments where you pretend I say something and then argue poorly against it? Because those are oh so very fun.

I never said expensive watches were beyond criticism. I said YOU were a joke because you continuously post crappy watches and then you criticize the beautiful, well-made ones.

I'll make this point in a separate paragraph since you don't seem very bright and this might help it stand out: The watches you post are not crappy because they are cheap. They are cheap because they are crappy.
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11-22-2009 , 03:08 PM
Agree with Gamblor...is there any way to split this thread into maybe like >1k and <1k watches? I really like looking at the higher end automatic stuff, and am not particularly interested in Seiko's/digital watches.
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11-22-2009 , 03:28 PM
is it really that hard to read the thread and scroll past posts you don't want to read? if there's enough consensus for it and the mods here want it done, it can obviously be done, but meh?

edit: more to the point, there's been like 2 people in this thread who have actually BOUGHT a "high end watch" whereas a zillion have bought $150-$1500 watches, and wanted advice/discussion here. plenty of people have posted pictures of high end watches, but is a gallery of watch photos really all that interesting?
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11-22-2009 , 04:16 PM
The horrrorrrr the horrrorrrr.

If you spend any time reading this thread you know who's going to be posting what with pretty good accuracy so if it really is that big a drag to you just make use of ignore.
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11-22-2009 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ICallHimGamblor
Oh goodie. Is this going to be another one of your patented arguments where you pretend I say something and then argue poorly against it? Because those are oh so very fun.

I never said expensive watches were beyond criticism. I said YOU were a joke because you continuously post crappy watches and then you criticize the beautiful, well-made ones.

I'll make this point in a separate paragraph since you don't seem very bright and this might help it stand out: The watches you post are not crappy because they are cheap. They are cheap because they are crappy.
lol

I've "bagged on" a total of ONE watch in this thread, other than obvious jokes, and even then I didn't criticize its quality or construction, I commented on design features which I even specified were subjective (i.e. "I don't like X in general"). I'll stand by that, as well. I like complications, but they don't fit in well with pilot watch aesthetics. IMO <--- zomg.

I've posted, that I remember, a total of TWO quartz analog pieces (in this thread and the previous one). One of them (SBCG003) has a hand-assembled movement (9T82) and goes for about $4k if you can find one, and the other (SBQJ015) has pretty much the most accurate non-thermocompensated quartz movement you can buy.

Oh, wait, I also mentioned the SBBN007. Another lol crap quartz watch. Not.

I've posted digital watches on a couple of occasions, usually when people specifically asked about them. Unprompted, I've mentioned G-shocks maybe twice. Wow.

The best part of your post is that you get all offended that I would suggest that you think quality and price are correlated, and then you spit out a gem like "They are cheap because they are crappy."

LOL GMAFB.
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11-22-2009 , 05:00 PM
Whoops, sorry, I did bag on this watch:

http://www.icedtime.com/showitem.php...age=0&jewel=0#

CASE CLOSED!!!
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11-22-2009 , 07:41 PM
...TWM hates on cheap watches, and the rest of us just ignore when he hates on cheap japanese watches...why can't we go back to doing that instead of arguing?

Gamblor: I wasn't implying that the device for handling leap years was a random feature, more that actually displaying it like they did was kind of weird, or at least unattractive IMO.

I really like when some of the elitists post good, expensive, hand-made watches cause they're really cool. I also enjoy when people post cheaper, yet still attractive watches, that are more in my actual price range. It's cool to see one of a kind 5 digit watches, but I can't buy it :-\ It's like watch porn.
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11-22-2009 , 08:46 PM
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...TWM hates on cheap watches,
TWM didn't hate on cheap watches.
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always thought this was a pretty cool watch

I like blue watches.
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11-23-2009 , 01:28 AM
steam,

i believe he meant "the watchmaker." who i always thought that was his id but it appears he's just "watchmaker" and now there's a dude named "twm" too? wtf. world is clearly in chaos.
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11-23-2009 , 01:54 AM
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now there's a dude named "twm" too? wtf.
With over 3000 posts.
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i believe he meant "the watchmaker."
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..."the watchmaker." hates on cheap japanese watches...
But first he joins in the discussion of them and says he sometimes wears one.
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They're brick-****house solid.
I just changed the battery in mine after 6 years

It's what I wear when I'll be doing stuff that kicks the **** out of a watch. Mine is beat to hell, but still keeps perfect time. I disagree that it's 'disposable' - it's actually one of the more durable timepieces you can buy. Inexpensive, but a pure functionality play.
So it's OK to discuss them but not to posts pics?
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11-23-2009 , 04:06 AM
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I like blue watches.
One of my biggest "you shouldn't have sold that, you ******" was selling this one in that same 'family'.
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11-23-2009 , 04:34 AM
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But first he joins in the discussion of them and says he sometimes wears one.

So it's OK to discuss them but not to posts pics?
It's hard to articulate this, but I'll try anyway.

No one ****ing cares about utilitarian timepieces made in the far East.

There is little to nothing about them that warrants academic study (save for real horological geeks- which no one in this thread is) and there is *absolutely* nothing about them that involves the artistic interplay between watchmaker and timepiece, short of a few half-assed gestures of mass-production oriented design; the opposite of what inspires legitimate horological interest to begin with.

Lets say EDF gets a fine dinnerware thread.
As expected, the discussion revolves around various makes and designs of plates, silverware, glasses, bowls, napkins, whatever... There are indeed real people who actually pay mind to that sort of ****. They like their lives very organized and as a byproduct of this, they invest a great deal of thought into stuff like napkin rings and wine glasses and table cloths and salt shakers and plates. From their wisdom (or personality dysfunction), casually or remotely interested parties can read the thread, glean a bit of relevant data and perhaps, make a good, dinnerware buying decision without having to become a devotee of the minutiae.

Now, lets say that in this Dinnerware thread, a group of dollar-store aficionados spouted up. Amidst all the talk of crystal and bone china and sterling silverware, a small coterie of folks delve into detailed discussion of their 4/$1 plastic bowls, how well it distributes heat when cooking canned Ravioli, how easy it is to clean.... For a time, the presence of these people is OK. I mean, everyone needs dinnerware, but not everyone wants to spend big bucks on fine dinnerware... So, the Dollar Store Dinnerware people are tolerated- maybe even a bit productive.

As the thread gets longer and the discussion progresses and regresses- just as topically open-ended threads of this nature are expected to do- the Dollar Store Dinnerware gang is still there amidst everyone else, talking about the finer points of their gray polymer juice cups and plastic paper-plate holders, emblazoned with an amusing cartoon rendition of a grinning Man in the Moon... and after a while- after reading their discussion of this stuff- a strange thing starts to happen. Their enthusiastic interest in trash casts a pallor over your day and maybe even makes you a little bit sad inside.

Ya see, it isn't that you're somehow 'wrong' for talking about these types of watches in a thread like this. It isn't off topic, out of place or otherwise 'bad'. It's just that in doing so, you stand as garish testimony to the side of life that ****ing sucks; when the craftsmanship, skill and breathtaking creativity that is involved with fabricating a fine mechanical timepiece is seriously discussed in-league with a Casio Digital watch, it's a stark reminder that there are definitely two sides to life and those of us who choose to live our lives one way must also share the same airspace with those on the other side.

This has nothing to do with snobbery. This has nothing to do with how much money a fine mechanical timepiece costs versus a cheap Oriental concept-rendition of what a watch is supposed to be. It has to do with a higher order of living- and thinking- that is just completely and totally debased every time 'discussion' of a watch that isn't worth talking about is raised (or interjected into an existing watch conversation)

In short, I hate your watches because your watches make me sad. Every time I wear one of my own utilitarian watches, I get a little blue inside. In doing so, I feel like I've failed myself for that day. Other people feel this way too. When the Casio Crusaders come into a thread like this and start blathering about those things, it's like dirty nails being raked down the clean-side of the chalkboard of life.

Your stupid factory watches make the world a sadder place, and typify many of the failings of man.
I could never adequately explain this, but it doesn't matter because you will never understand it anyway. Then again, you can't explain Jazz either.

Last edited by Watchmaker; 11-23-2009 at 05:02 AM. Reason: Confused tense
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11-23-2009 , 08:39 AM
Steamraise - for you - looks better on a steel strap IMO.
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11-23-2009 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Watchmaker
It's hard to articulate this, but I'll try anyway.

No one ****ing cares about utilitarian timepieces made in the far East.

There is little to nothing about them that warrants academic study (save for real horological geeks- which no one in this thread is) and there is *absolutely* nothing about them that involves the artistic interplay between watchmaker and timepiece, short of a few half-assed gestures of mass-production oriented design; the opposite of what inspires legitimate horological interest to begin with.

Lets say EDF gets a fine dinnerware thread.
As expected, the discussion revolves around various makes and designs of plates, silverware, glasses, bowls, napkins, whatever... There are indeed real people who actually pay mind to that sort of ****. They like their lives very organized and as a byproduct of this, they invest a great deal of thought into stuff like napkin rings and wine glasses and table cloths and salt shakers and plates. From their wisdom (or personality dysfunction), casually or remotely interested parties can read the thread, glean a bit of relevant data and perhaps, make a good, dinnerware buying decision without having to become a devotee of the minutiae.

Now, lets say that in this Dinnerware thread, a group of dollar-store aficionados spouted up. Amidst all the talk of crystal and bone china and sterling silverware, a small coterie of folks delve into detailed discussion of their 4/$1 plastic bowls, how well it distributes heat when cooking canned Ravioli, how easy it is to clean.... For a time, the presence of these people is OK. I mean, everyone needs dinnerware, but not everyone wants to spend big bucks on fine dinnerware... So, the Dollar Store Dinnerware people are tolerated- maybe even a bit productive.

As the thread gets longer and the discussion progresses and regresses- just as topically open-ended threads of this nature are expected to do- the Dollar Store Dinnerware gang is still there amidst everyone else, talking about the finer points of their gray polymer juice cups and plastic paper-plate holders, emblazoned with an amusing cartoon rendition of a grinning Man in the Moon... and after a while- after reading their discussion of this stuff- a strange thing starts to happen. Their enthusiastic interest in trash casts a pallor over your day and maybe even makes you a little bit sad inside.

Ya see, it isn't that you're somehow 'wrong' for talking about these types of watches in a thread like this. It isn't off topic, out of place or otherwise 'bad'. It's just that in doing so, you stand as garish testimony to the side of life that ****ing sucks; when the craftsmanship, skill and breathtaking creativity that is involved with fabricating a fine mechanical timepiece is seriously discussed in-league with a Casio Digital watch, it's a stark reminder that there are definitely two sides to life and those of us who choose to live our lives one way must also share the same airspace with those on the other side.

This has nothing to do with snobbery. This has nothing to do with how much money a fine mechanical timepiece costs versus a cheap Oriental concept-rendition of what a watch is supposed to be. It has to do with a higher order of living- and thinking- that is just completely and totally debased every time 'discussion' of a watch that isn't worth talking about is raised (or interjected into an existing watch conversation)

In short, I hate your watches because your watches make me sad. Every time I wear one of my own utilitarian watches, I get a little blue inside. In doing so, I feel like I've failed myself for that day. Other people feel this way too. When the Casio Crusaders come into a thread like this and start blathering about those things, it's like dirty nails being raked down the clean-side of the chalkboard of life.

Your stupid factory watches make the world a sadder place, and typify many of the failings of man.
I could never adequately explain this, but it doesn't matter because you will never understand it anyway. Then again, you can't explain Jazz either.
I can't make the fine dinnerware people poast more frequently.
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11-23-2009 , 12:13 PM
As an aside. i totally notice what watches people are wearing now, where a month ago I rarely if ever noticed if people were even wearing watches. My observations tell me poker players like Breitlings.
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11-23-2009 , 12:20 PM
lol pvn, saw this and thought of you http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_8155wt_1167

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11-23-2009 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by citanul
steam,

i believe he meant "the watchmaker." who i always thought that was his id but it appears he's just "watchmaker" and now there's a dude named "twm" too? wtf. world is clearly in chaos.
You are correct, I fail at reading and always thought his name was:

The WatchMaker

FWIW I'm fine with his opinions and think he's a really valuable member. I'm just confused at how a number of people seem to take watch preferences personally. It's like "I don't like the watch you posted" is somehow interpreted as "I don't like you"... (I just read his post a few responses up, and found myself smiling even though I am one of the persons he is addressing the tirade towards...you know why? Cause it's the internet, and lol the internet isn't serious business. He's clearly got an opinion that doesn't align with mine, and that's golly gee fine with me!)

As always there's a high percentage chance that i'm wrong/stupid but I just want the thread to continue like it has, with persons posting watches they like and others saying yay/nay and then we move on

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11-23-2009 , 04:07 PM
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11-23-2009 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Watchmaker
It's hard to articulate this, but I'll try anyway.

No one ****ing cares about utilitarian timepieces made in the far East.

....

Your stupid factory watches make the world a sadder place, and typify many of the failings of man.
I could never adequately explain this, but it doesn't matter because you will never understand it anyway. Then again, you can't explain Jazz either.
+1

It's refreshing to know I'm not the only one that feels this way..
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11-24-2009 , 12:51 AM
thoughts on this? I keep changing my mind, a bit too modern for my taste but I love being able to see the movement through the middle dial and on the back.



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11-24-2009 , 01:21 AM
Watches have been part of a theme in my life so I thought I would share. These are the three watches that have made it through. Sorry for low quality pics.

1. Rolex Cellini - A gift from my mother to my Dad for their anniversary in 1973. (engraved on back) I love the sleek classy look of this watch. Until I was in my 20's this is what I thought a "Rolex" looked like...ha. Its very, very thin as the side picture shows which to me adds to the cache. Any other info on this watch would be interesting to me...thx

2. Sieko Alarm Chronograph - My Dad and I chose this for my bday in 1982 in Seattle. One of the earlier ana/digi's and certainly one of the nicer ones. (i noticed one similar posted earlier in this thread) The digi still works but no battery right now. This watch too is quite slim and very tiny by today's stds. Great blend of style and utility in its day IMO


3. Cartier Roadster - An amazing gift from my brother for my 40th bday. Not something I would have chosen for myself but man this watch has really grown on me. The beautiful heavy casing and crown integration makes it like a piece of jewelry and the shear solidness of it screams it means business. It also comes w a black leather interchangeable strap. The steel strap has a very slick patented clasp as well. You couldn't pry it away from me now...









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11-24-2009 , 01:41 AM
thanks for sharing
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11-24-2009 , 04:44 AM
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thoughts on this? I keep changing my mind, a bit too modern for my taste but I love being able to see the movement through the middle dial and on the back.



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100k? wow. very beautiful
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