The archimede and stowa would be my choices in that price range. I really like stowa's crown better but that's a personal preference and the archimede is cheaper. Quality between the two is roughly the same from what I can tell.

http://www.iwc.com/en/collection/ingenieur/IW3225/
To black for an everyday watch?

Though for myself I'd prefer one of the IWCs we checked out a few years ago, I think that very well fits your style and would be good for you.

No, racist. Too big for an everyday watch I'd say. Or a watch in general.

I like the fact that they are using an in house movement but 12k for a 3 hander is pushing it. Also don't like that they call it an ingenieur but gets away from its anti magnetic beginnings.

I also have no idea what makes that 5k more than this

http://www.iwc.com/en/collection/ingenieur/IW3236/

same case, same movement.

It's truly black ceramic? That's cool. I was going to say that as an everyday wearer, you'd quickly have unsightly scratches in the black coating, but maybe not.

I really liked those, but as dressier watches. I bought a leather strap David Yurman watch super cheap that I like for dressier occasions.

Might be true. Haven't tried it on yet. I have a pretty big wrist and have seen watches I really liked that have been to small on me but 46mm might be to big.

I guess the fancy AMG stuff. I like the Ingenieur line a lot as an every day watch and the black on black looks really awesome to me. I'll check out some of the other Ingenieurs and pricing when I end up in a store.

Store I went to was pretty lacking on IWC stuff but saw this today

http://www.jomashop.com/hublot-mens-...x-1170-rx.html

Looked awesome in person. Any thoughts on Hublot's in general?

Wear it for a while to see if it's comfortable. I mean ten minutes. The protrusion angle of the straps is really wide and this often creates a pressure point on the bottom of your wrist where your veins are. I think they fixed it but how well I'm not sure.

They're a polarizing watch brand, for sure. If you can afford it and like it, go for it. If you want to spend a bundle of money on a boring watch so you can drone on about prestige and heritage while simultaneously getting high fives from forum all stars on TZ, you're better off passing.

They offer a bracelet version for quite a bit more but the bracelets are very substantial.

Thanks for the input.

I actually really like the look of the rubber. Didn't think I would but for what I am going to be wearing it with (casual) I think it is a good fit.

Don't care to much about the whole "prestige" factor but also understand that prestige factor doesn't come from nowhere and watches probably get a good rep with watch people for a reason.

I'm more pro Hublot than most and would definitely pick up a Big Bang if I seen one at a good price.

They are overpriced at retail but so are the vast majority of brands and they have made their own movement now (not in that BB linked)

It's just their overbearing marketing that gets people really but the watches are solid.

I was very surprised at how quickly the price was dropped in store. I was pretty clearly not buying anything today and right away the salesperson offered 20% off the sticker price which they didn't do on any other item. Figured they had to be overpriced in general or the store was overstocked.

I plan on going into Tourneau this summer in Vegas and trying to get a decent trade in on my old watch. Plan on using the two stores to leverage a good price. Seems to have worked very well in the past on big ish purchases.

Just remembered I saw a Vacheron that was absurdly nice but also about 3x the price . Maybe my 10 year from now trade in.

I would never pay anything close to retail for a Hublot, but something like this

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=6479719&rid=0

is pretty reasonable to me.

So the reason people have an issue with Hublot is for example, the Big Bang you linked has the exact same movement as the Tag aquaracer you are selling and yet even at a discount is 3x the price.

Unfortunately the in house Hublot stuff is around the 20k range which means you are
probably better off getting an AP.

Much like IWC, I like the Hublot aesthetics but their pricing leaves something to be desired.

What? Who is selling a Tag aquaracer? I agree that Hublot is overpriced..I think of them in the "fashionable" watch category much like Panerai or Bell&Ross. Then again I recently bought an IWC Portuguese which has a modified ETA 7750 movement, so maybe I can't judge too much?

My post was made in reference to Inyaface's

The rubber comes in a few different versions. My favorite is tire tread, that's what the TZ link has. There is also smooth that is just a matte piece of rubber. There is also linen which has fine lines running down it. For me tire tread >>>>>>>>>>>>> linen >>>>>>>>>>> smooth by huge margins.

There's also gummy croc which is rubber with a piece of croc inset in to the strap, feels like rubber, and frankly to me it looks like fake croc. They do come in lots of colors.

Also: Be aware of the sunken datewheel. Of all the things people complain about this doesn't catch enough flak. It's less noticeable when it's a black dw on a black dial but it's still there and still sucks.

Also,look at the watch from the side. Are the bezel h-screws flushmount? Sometimes they aren't, try and cherry pick one that has them flush, goes a long way.


The old models are the ones in the TZ link where they have numbers on the dial. The new Evos are what you linked, with just stick markers. Just preference.

The rubber is definitely great if it's comfortable enough for you. The bracelets are very thick and cool looking too, though.





Also be conscious of the weight. Some people love heavy watches and the full SS you posted wouldn't disappoint. The more ceramic on the watch, the less it will weigh.

Wouldn't have thought to looks at the screws on the bezel. Good advice. Are they not flush often? I agree about the date wheel but think it is hidden enough on the black that its not noticeable.

I think the rubber just seems a lot more casual then the bracelet style and was really surprised how much I liked how they look in person since I hadn't been a fan in the past. Tire tred looks cool. Hopefully I can find one of those to compare.

I like the new style a bit more. The numbers on the dial seem to clutter it up.

The Aquaracer I have now is pretty heavy so I'm not worried to much about weight.

received today. not bad. just need to adjust the strap..

near mint/mint 8

I'm guessing motorcycle accident.

I wanted to ask about Rolex. I remember awhile back the consensus being that Rolex watches were not considered high-end to "serious" collectors, and that they were/are generally perceived as gaudy, similar to that of Jacob.

What I don't remember is why? Why are Rolex watches not considered high-end amongst those that are privy? I might be overstating this a bit but I'd like to know what makes Rolex watches inferior to those watches that are high end.

I know that, as a whole, they are not in the same league of a PP, VC, AP and probably AL&S. What other watche are considered "better?"

I understand this question might be too subjective but I got into a minor debate with a friend who claims Rolex as the King.

Here you go:

saw part of a NOVA episode about this last night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient...-computer.html

nice complications