You too huh?

obv no justification for that behavior but it just goes to show how much of a joke the US news system is. nothing is funnier than hearing 0Ls say "well i love school X but its ranked 68 and school Y is 65 so i have to go to school Y"

until college grads smarten up school will do whatever they can to keep their numbers up

lol...

trying to get a gauge from actual law students with hindsight / experience. if you could go back to the application process, what's the lowest ranking school you'd go to with a) no money? b) some money? c) full ride?

fwiw i have 3.6 / 163 / URM and i'm considering everything from full ticket at uc hastings / davis / berkeley (if i get in) to full ride at pacific / unlv.

also, i'm interested in either PI or crim defense. also considering PD or ADA but obv not sure yet. and i want to stay in the SW (cali, AZ, vegas)

tyty.

A) HYSCC B) NYU, Penn C) rest of t14

i went to gulc on 1/2 scholly and wouldnt do it again. way too risky. i only went to law school to make money

best f'n day of bs work at the ref desk ever. was walking to get a cigarette, and came across a cart with untouched new and old editions of law books with a sign that say "FREE BOOKS!!! Please help yourself". Being bored, I decided to see what if anything I can get off Amazon for them. Surprisingly, it's going to be about $600. Thanks Law School!!!!

I think this is awesome. I think a lot of cases/claims/etc. in the real world just kind of get forgotten about/fall through the cracks. If the perp/victim isn't totally with it or has crappy representation...whatever...they can totally get screwed. I tried to sign up last semester for mine, but it got screwed up and didn't happen.

Take your full ride at berkeley and have a happy life. No reason to go east, its ****ing gross over there.

I wouldn't pay to go anywhere under top half of T14, I wouldnt go anywhere outside T14 even if it was free.

I was playing in a 3/5 nl game tonight, No Friday class rocks. They said one man was a law professor. When he got back to the table he said "yeah I recognize you from the law school." I had no idea who he was, he said he dual teaches in law and Criminal justice.

awkward. he made two sick laydowns to me too, one was AK vs my set of Aces.

I misread this too at first. I think he's saying he'd have to pay full price at Berkeley.

correct, sorry for the confusion.

Except he prob wouldnt. 3.6 + 163 + URM = Berkeley with some $$$, esp. with applicant pool size being down due to the fact that law school is a terrible investment.

Marginal cost of extra students is near 0. I foresee lots of schools giving halfish scholarships this year to less qualified applicants just to drive revenue.

he'll prob get some $$ to bezerkely but i don't think it'll be enough to justify going.

you also need to consider that he's going to be dumber than the vast majority of his classmates. (i know the lsat/ls grades correlation is tenuous but a 163 is prob bottom 10% at uc-b.)

lol very delicate.

this means nothing imo. once you're in, its a clean slate and you can still finish at the top of your class. being considered dumber than your classmates based upon ugrad gpa and lsat has no impact on your success in law school. despite people saying the lsat is some awesome predictor, i disagree

i'm not sure how you can say it means nothing. like i said, the correlation is tenuous, but if two people work equally hard my money is on the guy with the 175 not the 163.

remember, these 2 people sat in the same room a few months earlier and took the same standardized test. one guy scored significantly higher. why would anything change a few months later?

we're talking about a $200,000 gamble. why risk it?

There is almost certainly some sort of correlation. Totally anecdotal, but the Law Review at Penn this year has 1 non-white/Asian member.

ditto

The LSAT really rewards people who can read quickly, process information quickly and think decisively. Law school exams work the same way in that you have a limited time to process a fact pattern, discern the issues and organize and present an answer that is on point. However, I think that it is easier for someone with a worse LSAT score to outperform someone with a higher score in law school than it is for someone to raise his LSAT score from a middling score to an elite score, since there is no substantive material to learn for the LSAT. A student who "learns the game" and outworks his peers when learning the law can overtake his higher LSAT scoring peers, especially if he is a gifted writer, which isn't something that the LSAT really measures. The problem is that there are a lot more students who think that this is what they are going to do than those who actually do it.

But... but.. there is a writing section!!

You aren't allowed to "disagree", the LSAT is the best available indicator of law school performance. Like, that's proven with math.

Bouncing between abject fear and unbridled excitement about my first ever court appearance tomorrow.

Good luck. the judge will probably be able to tell.

Trip Report!! my first ever court appearance by myself was well before I graduated law school and the other lawyer didn't show up and I got everything I wanted. Easy game.

I went to a TTT on a full ride, but I already had intern experience into the field I wanted to do and had a very good idea of what I needed to do in order to get a job in my field (patent). Before I went to law school, I already put several plans in place and I also had several backup plans to ensure that I would break into the field upon graduating.

In fact, it worked out so well that most places I applied to, I was more or less a shoo in with only a cursory interview, and the employers didn't seem to care what school I went to or to some extent, what my law school GPA was (my GPA was pretty bad; just barely enough to maintain my scholarship). That being said, a lot of the people ranked higher than me in law school could not find a job for almost a year after graduation, and this was 2008.

If you have that kind of planning already laid out, then go for the full ride. If not, and you are absolutely sure you want to be an attorney, then go for the highest ranked school you can get into, study and network like your life depended on it (because it does), and pray that the economy turns around by the time you get out.