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01-02-2024 , 07:43 PM

#5301

John Cole

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I had my students do their research paper on "Strange Fruit" this semester. After listening to it, one guy said so that's what Kanye sampled in "Blood on the Leaves."

I like my students to learn things they don't know about when they do research.

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01-02-2024 , 07:56 PM

#5302

REDeYeS00

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Originally Posted by John Cole

can you let students know western musical history somehow started before yeezy stole samples from Nina Simone

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01-04-2024 , 10:55 AM

#5303

John Cole

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Originally Posted by REDeYeS00

can you let students know western musical history somehow started before yeezy stole samples from Nina Simone

I pose this question to them (and to myself as well): can protest songs influence behavior?

I have them research "Strange Fruit" because they don't think anything happened before they were born or is over a hundred years old.

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01-04-2024 , 11:06 AM

#5304

golddog

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Sure, reference "For What It's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield and "Ohio" by CSN (among many others of that era).

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01-04-2024 , 11:10 AM

#5305

Phat Mack

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Originally Posted by John Cole

I pose this question to them (and to myself as well): can protest songs influence behavior?

This is a magnificent question. Not much of quality has been written about it over the years, if anything.

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01-04-2024 , 05:28 PM

#5306

lastcardcharlie

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Originally Posted by John Cole

I pose this question to them (and to myself as well): can protest songs influence behavior?

Punk changed everything.

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01-04-2024 , 07:28 PM

#5307

REDeYeS00

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can protest books influence behavior?
seems the answer to both might the same
another question: is influence (change) in the context of your question characterized as incremental, widespread, resistance, defiance, or other?

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01-04-2024 , 08:27 PM

#5308

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01-04-2024 , 08:36 PM

#5309

John Cole

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Probably all of those, but my guess is that protest songs sing to the choir. Perhaps I'm wrong.

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01-04-2024 , 08:57 PM

#5310

Phat Mack

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Probably all of those, but my guess is that protest songs sing to the choir. Perhaps I'm wrong.

This has always been my guess, but maybe it emboldens believers to go out and recruit other believers.

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01-04-2024 , 09:30 PM

#5311

REDeYeS00

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if the concept was not effective would propaganda still exist?

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01-05-2024 , 11:01 AM

#5312

lastcardcharlie

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David Soul is dead.

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01-05-2024 , 11:06 AM

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01-05-2024 , 12:10 PM

#5314

Phat Mack

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Originally Posted by REDeYeS00

if the concept was not effective would propaganda still exist?

I think propaganda is designed to maintain a system, whereas protest is intended to change one.

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01-05-2024 , 04:44 PM

#5315

Dominic

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RIP David Soul. When we were little, my brother was Starsky and I was Hutch, and a cardboard box was that really cool car they had. Soul was also great in Salems Lot.

And the Starsky & Hutch theme is amazing!

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01-05-2024 , 05:23 PM

#5316

Zeno

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I think propaganda is designed to maintain a system, whereas protest is intended to change one.

Many times protests are propaganda! I participated in a few back in The Sixties.

Then I wised up.

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01-05-2024 , 05:32 PM

#5317

Zeno

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Beethoven was a propagandist. And a damn good one.

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01-05-2024 , 05:36 PM

#5318

Zeno

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So was Vivaldi!!!!

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01-05-2024 , 06:37 PM

#5319

diebitter

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So was Vivaldi!!!!

And very successful. Everyone forgets there were only 2 seasons until he did his 'quattro stagioni' thing.

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01-06-2024 , 10:56 PM

#5320

Dominic

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Cindy Morgan, 69, model and actress.

Most famous for starring in Tron and as Lacey Underall in Caddyshack.

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01-08-2024 , 05:45 PM

#5321

lastcardcharlie

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Franz Beckenbauer. Der Kaiser.

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01-08-2024 , 06:19 PM

#5322

Dominic

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He was great in the philosophers soccer match

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01-08-2024 , 09:16 PM

#5323

Phat Mack

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I used to manage a bar ~1980. After closing, I'd come home and be too wound up to sleep, so I'd flick on the TV. ESPN was just beginning and they were desperate for content, so they would play old European soccer matches in the wee hours.

I'd roll one, pop open a beer and try to follow what was going on. Although what he was doing made little sense to me, my favorite player soon became some crazy German guy. He'd start out behind the fullbacks, let off the big kick, then run it down by sweeping in out of nowhere, and attack from the wing, 2" in front of the goalie's nose.

GOAL!

I wonder wtf ever happened to that guy...

RIP

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01-09-2024 , 01:09 AM

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Zeno

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Your post reminded me of watching a soccer match in Italy on TV, IÂ’m certain it was fairly meaningless but I was drinking beer and enjoying the evening and the patrons were as oblivious as I was to the meaningless of it all. Such is life. But I enjoyed it nonetheless.