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01-05-2021 , 11:28 PM

#3876

Dominic

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off the hook for what?

CNN now reporting that she is, in fact, dead.

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01-06-2021 , 01:46 AM

#3877

Phat Mack

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Never mind. I got you confused with BigPoppa, and thought you had killed Joseph Heller twice.

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01-06-2021 , 11:46 AM

#3878

harkin

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Never mind. I got you confused with BigPoppa, and thought you had killed Joseph Heller twice.

Heller also died at his first viewing of M*A*S*H.

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01-07-2021 , 12:45 AM

#3879

Phat Mack

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Heller also died at his first viewing of M*A*S*H.

So did I.

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01-07-2021 , 09:19 AM

#3880

harkin

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So did I.

So did Mike Nichols:

“‘Right away, however, Nichols got a tight feeling in his chest as Altman’s darkly comic vision played out in front of him, recognising that he had been blindsided. “We were waylaid by MASH, which was fresher and more alive, improvisational, and funnier than Catch-22,” he says. “It just cut us off at the knees.”

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01-07-2021 , 02:37 PM

#3881

Phat Mack

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I like Mike Nichols, but his Catch-22 was a failure. There was a theory at the time that it had been trumped by the release of MASH during the same year, but the reality was that it was a bad film.

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01-07-2021 , 04:49 PM

#3882

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I like Mike Nichols, but his Catch-22 was a failure. There was a theory at the time that it had been trumped by the release of MASH during the same year, but the reality was that it was a bad film.

The film just didn't make any sense to me. But I have heard that the novel didn't make any sense either.

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01-07-2021 , 05:39 PM

#3883

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The film just didn't make any sense to me. But I have heard that the novel didn't make any sense either.

Sort of a catch-22.

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01-07-2021 , 07:08 PM

#3884

Dominic

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ba dum bum

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01-07-2021 , 11:59 PM

#3885

Phat Mack

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The film just didn't make any sense to me. But I have heard that the novel didn't make any sense either.

The novel made perfect sense to me but ymmv. Converting it to a movie didn't work in this instance. I wrote a letter to a Japanese anime director ~2006 suggesting that he make a movie of Catch-22. I was sure a cartoon was the only way to make it work. His assistant wrote back and said it was an 'interesting' idea, but it wasn't going to happen in the foreseeable future. I really love that book.

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01-08-2021 , 09:58 AM

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Neil Sheehan, who in 1971 obtained the Pentagon Papers, telling the secret government history of the Vietnam War, has died at 84. Sheehan, who covered the war for The New York Times, never explained how he got the documents — until a few years ago, when he agreed to an interview on the condition that it not be published until his death. Accordingly, the NYT has now published that story: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/u...4aa18640071511

And here's the Times' obituary of Sheehan: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/b...pgtype=Article

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01-08-2021 , 12:56 PM

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01-08-2021 , 01:33 PM

#3888

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RIP Tommy LaSorda

He was entertaining and reached a level of popularity and fame that most baseball mangers never do.

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01-08-2021 , 01:35 PM

#3889

harkin

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My friend attended Tommy’s church in Fullerton and we’d see him at early mass before Sunday games.

He’d tease us about going surfing instead of to the game and ask me if I had any bats in my van (as well as the boards on my roof).

He has stipulated that his tombstone always displays the current Dodger schedule.

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01-08-2021 , 01:45 PM

#3890

harkin

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I like Mike Nichols, but his Catch-22 was a failure. There was a theory at the time that it had been trumped by the release of MASH during the same year, but the reality was that it was a bad film.

Catch-22 was a very bad film but part of the PR before release was that it was going to be the ‘ultimate anti-war film’ with a huge budget and stellar cast (even Orson Welles).

M*A*S*H, by a then-TV director with a mostly-unknown cast and meagre budget filmed in a Malibu canyon, was portrayed before release by the Hollywood know-it-alls as an inferior product merely trying to cash in on C-22’s popularity.

It was hugely popular because it was hilarious as well as topical in the Viet-Nam era.

It really did cut it off at the knees and C-22 lost millions.

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01-08-2021 , 03:58 PM

#3891

John Cole

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I read it when I was 16, and it fit the zeitgeist perfectly. And it was damn funny.

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01-08-2021 , 04:45 PM

#3892

Dominic

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Tommy Lasorda was an American treasure...always with a smile and a story.

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01-08-2021 , 04:49 PM

#3893

John Cole

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Michael Apted at 79. Best know for the Up series.

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01-08-2021 , 05:02 PM

#3894

Dominic

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great filmmaker

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01-08-2021 , 07:12 PM

#3895

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01-08-2021 , 08:54 PM

#3896

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I read it when I was 16, and it fit the zeitgeist perfectly. And it was damn funny.

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I read it at 17. Agree with your comment 100%.

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01-08-2021 , 09:21 PM

#3897

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I saw Catch-22 the movie when I was in high school at the theater and have to admit I really didn't get it. But a few years later I read the novel and it immediately became my all-time favorite novel and still is. Reminds me I need to read it again as it has been a while. I NEVER reread books except I have read Catch-22 4 times and Huckleberry Finn probably 10 times. Other than that I can't remember reading a book twice.

All that said watching the movie again after reading the book I was amazed at how well the movie followed the book even though the book is awesome and the movie weak.

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01-08-2021 , 09:43 PM

#3898

Mulezen

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Neil Sheehan on Thursday
Great journalist who procured Pentagon Papers
His A bright Shining Lie is considered the best non-fiction book on our involvement in Vietnam. A very readable book...if you are familiar with Apocalypse Now you’ve met John Paul Vann, the author’s man on the ground

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01-08-2021 , 10:36 PM

#3899

Zeno

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RIP Tommy Lasorda. I remember his team (Dodgers) wining some very important game (may have been in Post Season, I don't remember for sure) and he went ape sh*t and waddled/ran onto the field and fell on his ass. No one could have done it better. Loved that guy.

PS. Many have misremembered, that happens when you get old. Perhaps this was when he got hit by a bat and took a roll. Still it was classic.

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01-09-2021 , 10:25 AM

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Phat Mack

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I read it when I was 16, and it fit the zeitgeist perfectly. And it was damn funny.

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I read it the summer before my senior year in high school. I couldn't believe it--I had never read anything like it--with that type of voice. I thought absurdity was supposed to be a secret.

A couple of years later I was in Vietnam and found a cult of the most unlikely people who would quote from it at the most unlikely times. We'd laugh at the civilians back home who thought such a painstaking work of reportage was fiction. It's not at all a war novel, which allows it to be one of the greatest war novels of all time.

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