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01-09-2015 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Tappo had a bunch in a short period and I tried to get him to give a read on me. . And I don't think he gave a definitive one. And he has the best record on pog at reading me so I think he should
Yeah, I think you're a villager now. Seeing you respond to some things - mostly wagoning and death reveals - is helpful. And you got to admit it took you a while to get in the groove.
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01-09-2015 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by El_Timon
I've read you say "projects tone" a couple of times already. I am interpreting as you saying that he's trying to fake a villager tone. Is this what you mean? or, can you quote some posts that show what you mean?
My model of wolf Cory's play is that he relies on exchanges where the information value in his posts is in him explaining how he feels, as opposed to game-solvey content. He gets involved in similar exchanges as a villager, too, so it's a matter of degree, rather than a hard-and-fast rule.
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01-09-2015 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl_Spackler
I think wolf ronny just bails today and never posts
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Originally Posted by Carl_Spackler
What he is doing here is much more likely to be clueless villager than wolf.

Given his history, as a wolf he ~ always cuts his losses and never posts again.

Even his wolf bros would recommend it.
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Originally Posted by Carl_Spackler
As a wolf Ronny either ignores the issue or makes some excuse about misreading the post. Here he doubles down and piles on more nonsense.

As far as a joke, he did mention that this was a poker forum and we shouldn't be engaging in the gambler's fallacy so maybe it was a joke on that level.
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Originally Posted by JC Denton
You sound like the authority on Ronny's wolf game here, where's this confidence coming from? Because I read this as a wolf who knows another wolf's wolftell because he's doing it right now. I'd like a very snappy response to this.
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Originally Posted by Carl_Spackler
I'm not speaking about Ronny in particular, rather how I would expect wolves in general to react
This is annoying to talk about, because fake peeks, but Carl is dodging the question here. The second to last quote is arguably him applying a generic tell on Ronnie, and that's strictly speaking what Dent asked Carl about, but if you consider the whole body of work, Carl is clearly applying meta. It's explicit in the "Given his history..." post, implicit in the others.
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01-09-2015 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JC Denton
Someone else summed it up when they said "wolf cory seems like a villager, but his game isn't anything like his villager game,"
That was me, by the way.
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01-09-2015 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JC Denton
Timon: are you really asking me how we are in a better position with dead weight snipped off and another peek?

I needed to slow down Cory's crusade because getting me lynched there is always disaster and me OMGUS lynching him is possible disaster; either way I wanna avoid a disaster and I'm mildly proud of myself for how I handled it.
Yes, I am asking because I don't see how we are in a much better position. We lynched a villager (dead weight, fine, not so bad) and now we have to wade through your interaction with cory and figure out the motives of it. The seer surviving to d2 should be totally standard and nothing to be proud about, regardless of recent history with seers dying on n1.

And I really don't see how you could think that cory was going to get you lynched in that spot, EVER. He had five votes (two parked, three from additional posts), and you had been mostly cleared by me and other people (hoya, monstr iirc). Your posts were a gross over reaction and I'm trying to figure out whether you do this as a wolf or not.
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01-09-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Timon
Carl, I looked at some of your posts in your wolf game and it seems that you were hard defending blue heron on d1 of that game, even though he only had a couple of votes and there were two other stronger wagons.

So if there was a reason in that game, there could be a reason now. Two simple ones: 1) If he's your wolf bro you can try saving him, and 2) If he's a villager you can try to take credit for defending a villager or yell at other people who lynched him. The former is unlikely imo. When I did this in my first wolf game I was aiming for the latter.
Carl/Ronny bothers me, because I'd dearly like both of them to be wolves. But Carl's approach doesn't feel wolfy/wolfy. It's just the sort of thing that's easier to do when you know you're correct.

Carl gave the impression earlier that he struggles to a degree with the lying aspect of wolfing and has an easier time posting when he can say truthful things. If that's wrong, there's a chance, but people don't usually lie about basic aspects of their own play style.

Basically I'm afraid that this ish is going to get super tricky at some point.
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01-09-2015 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Timon
Yes, I am asking because I don't see how we are in a much better position. We lynched a villager (dead weight, fine, not so bad) and now we have to wade through your interaction with cory and figure out the motives of it. The seer surviving to d2 should be totally standard and nothing to be proud about, regardless of recent history with seers dying on n1.

And I really don't see how you could think that cory was going to get you lynched in that spot, EVER. He had five votes (two parked, three from additional posts), and you had been mostly cleared by me and other people (hoya, monstr iirc). Your posts were a gross over reaction and I'm trying to figure out whether you do this as a wolf or not.
Sounds like you need to don your Sherlock cap! Need some opiates to go with it?

Just curious; do you agree that Ronny is the objectively correct lynch today, or do you think someone else is a more likely wolf?
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01-09-2015 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
I also thik he might have a habit of making votes that aren't interesting later in the game, like voting cory and leaving when cory is, generally speaking, an unlikely D1 lynch

if you know what I mean
Non-generally speaking, I didn't think it was a hopeless cause at the time I left the thread.
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01-09-2015 , 12:30 PM
Why would I be obnoxious about being LACK CLAIRE when all I want to do is GET DAT WIN BABY?

Really though, I haven't done anything especially helpful, not in a position to be very annoying. I do look forward to calmly re-reading and then dismantling some furry mofos though.
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01-09-2015 , 12:31 PM
also my bad annie, that was kind of on me
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01-09-2015 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JC Denton
Sounds like you need to don your Sherlock cap! Need some opiates to go with it?

Just curious; do you agree that Ronny is the objectively correct lynch today, or do you think someone else is a more likely wolf?
That's kind of a ****ty response. You're mocking Timon and shifting the topic when he has a reasonable point. Continuing a discussion does nothing to stop it. Cory had already stopped posting. Your posts increased the risk that he'd start up again.
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01-09-2015 , 12:35 PM
Carl_Spackler
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01-09-2015 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nofear3838
Someone ask ronny why he thought I am a strong villager when he gets back to the thread, btw. I don't think I've ever played with him and want to know if it was a wolf chat slip or something
Like you said its ages ago. I remember you, mets, WN and Anni. Maybe I just thought you are strong because you are a pog ww reg.

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good morning. I really thought I was SHC until timon quoted the spoiler :P

I plan to do more reading and less posting for a little bit. Personally I kind of doubt cory/tom are wolves, even if I haven't actually read all the back and forth at EOD. It seems like today is about figuring out ronny, nofear, and getting to hopefully feel a little more confident on tappo and carl.
The only possible wolf from those 4 is Tom.

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Originally Posted by tappokone
Carl/Ronny bothers me, because I'd dearly like both of them to be wolves. But Carl's approach doesn't feel wolfy/wolfy. It's just the sort of thing that's easier to do when you know you're correct.

Carl gave the impression earlier that he struggles to a degree with the lying aspect of wolfing and has an easier time posting when he can say truthful things. If that's wrong, there's a chance, but people don't usually lie about basic aspects of their own play style.

Basically I'm afraid that this ish is going to get super tricky at some point.
Dont find it hard. Im villa and so is Carl.
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01-09-2015 , 12:37 PM
vyk I think you have been gone long enough that I can fairly say that your impression of my HoyAIDS is probably overblown now, for the most part being green keeps me rather chill (comparatively), and also I'm now a legitimate OLD and I just figure whatever man, I'm pretty much just a WW probability slappy anyway
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01-09-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Carl/Ronny bothers me, because I'd dearly like both of them to be wolves. But Carl's approach doesn't feel wolfy/wolfy. It's just the sort of thing that's easier to do when you know you're correct.

Carl gave the impression earlier that he struggles to a degree with the lying aspect of wolfing and has an easier time posting when he can say truthful things. If that's wrong, there's a chance, but people don't usually lie about basic aspects of their own play style.

Basically I'm afraid that this ish is going to get super tricky at some point.
I think this interaction is never w/w. What you say in the second paragraph is what I've done before as a new wolf and why I think carl is highly likely to be a wolf.
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01-09-2015 , 12:38 PM
Also what is SHC?
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01-09-2015 , 12:40 PM
seer-hunt clear

the theory is that if the wolves night kill someone who left a fake peek, the fake peek is probably correct and the wolves probably thought the dead villager was the seer

in this game it means monstr fake peeked me and the wolves killed him, thus from your perspectives I'm probably SHC
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01-09-2015 , 12:41 PM
Ronny is an interesting specimen in that he treads that line between lost and lucid just well enough that it's hard to get a beat on him. Ronny you now have three days to be lucid, I look forward to your newfound understanding of the thread and your efforts and conclusions.
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01-09-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JC Denton
Sounds like you need to don your Sherlock cap! Need some opiates to go with it?

Just curious; do you agree that Ronny is the objectively correct lynch today, or do you think someone else is a more likely wolf?
I do not agree that Ronny is the correct lynch today and you suggesting this is extremely lazy. You're going by #sortbypostcount and justifying it by saying that he's dead weight, etc. At this rate if we lynch Ronny and he comes back villa you probably suggest lynching nofear next. What you did yesterday with Cory was wolfy, what you're doing now with Ronny is wolfy. Shrugging Annie's lynch and suggesting we do the same thing again today is wolfy.

JC
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01-09-2015 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone
That's kind of a ****ty response. You're mocking Timon and shifting the topic when he has a reasonable point. Continuing a discussion does nothing to stop it. Cory had already stopped posting. Your posts increased the risk that he'd start up again.
I already said this, but I'll emphasize it again. This is what I find extremely wolfy about that exchange. JC knows he wasn't getting lynched. His posts almost seemed like he was baiting cory.
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01-09-2015 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronny Mahoni
The only possible wolf from those 4 is Tom.



Dont find it hard. Im villa and so is Carl.
You sound extra confident in those reads, to a degree that's throwing me for a loop.
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01-09-2015 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
seer-hunt clear

the theory is that if the wolves night kill someone who left a fake peek, the fake peek is probably correct and the wolves probably thought the dead villager was the seer

in this game it means monstr fake peeked me and the wolves killed him, thus from your perspectives I'm probably SHC
Ah ye that makes sense.

Seems highly exploitable at the same time tho. Especially with you who most already think is lock villa.

You can also afford a night of non-seer hunting since you know n1 peek is wasted on me.

Not saying you are a wolf, but Id be a sick lvl if you were.
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01-09-2015 , 12:50 PM
tappo I'm going to be beginning my slow re-read with the suspicion that you are a wolf, sort of by a lazy tone POE and sort of because I think you wolf a lot like me without the YELLING

hope you're not though
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01-09-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Timon
I do not agree that Ronny is the correct lynch today and you suggesting this is extremely lazy. You're going by #sortbypostcount and justifying it by saying that he's dead weight, etc. At this rate if we lynch Ronny and he comes back villa you probably suggest lynching nofear next. What you did yesterday with Cory was wolfy, what you're doing now with Ronny is wolfy. Shrugging Annie's lynch and suggesting we do the same thing again today is wolfy.

JC
I'm chalking this one up to you not knowing me as a player, but I assure you with complete sincerity that I've left my wolf range in this game and I don't necessarily expect you to just flip your mind around and believe it, but you will eventually have to come to terms with it, and the sooner you do the more productive today will be.

I don't think keeping it simple and lynching the wolfiest players in a row is incorrect, I see what you mean about it being exploitable if they're all villagers but I would be surprised if they are. Regardless, my focus when I have time to read from start to finish again will be trying to figure out what I've been missing since I have that intuitive sense that something is wrong in the POE and I'd like to figure it out today.
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01-09-2015 , 12:54 PM
ronny: tom wasn't listen in that four, was he? It was you, nofear, tappo, and carl.
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