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05-17-2015 , 12:05 PM
The short stack can't shove behind him
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05-17-2015 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
The short stack can't shove behind him
Oh duh, shorty called in between them. Reading comprehension ftl

hmmmm. I probably raise then. If I am leading into a short stack pfr in a 3 way pot, I typically want them to shove and drive out the third person because I like the EV of running it HU with the short stack. If I have a monster here, I would go for a c/r since the short stack is going to be betting a lot, and I can trap the third person in between. So I think with the short stack in the middle her lead is much weaker than if the short stack is in position (where I would flip my actions, c/r to drive out the other large stack with a weaker hand and lead to trap him in the middle with a stronger one).
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05-17-2015 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
i ran a super sick multi way pot bluff with 72o, then got running 7s and bet the river for value lol!
Do you think you have a gambling addiction?

I'm not mocking, I'm serious. Your approach to poker is not healthy. Any serious poker pro that I've known would never have a story like that one from a game played at his usual stakes.
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05-17-2015 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hurp Durpington
Ok would really appreciate inputs on my line of thinking

1/2/5 plo villain is a stuck up Asian lady who likes to berate people on their plays but looks competent

1000 deep

Utg limp
Utg+1 limp
I limp with AcTc9c6d
Azn lady raises 25
3 of us call

Flop (103)
Kc9c4d

2 check
I lead 90
Azn calls

Turn (283)
5c

I check
She leads 230

Spoiler:
I have a reasonably strong read that she doesn't have a set. And she would not bet with a naked two pair. I want her to spew out her stack with a kqjt or lower flush type hard and I am not worried about a pairing river.

I think I lose her easily if I c/r on turn

Plan on c/ring a brick . on a board pairing river check and probably call


I call

River blank
I check
Fold pre to the raise. Three to a suit is not good

I prob raise turn

Why did you check river? Did you have a read that she would bluff this? You have the Ac, so she cant blocker bluff, and is she really going to value bet third or fourth nuts?
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05-17-2015 , 01:44 PM
thinking about it all i butchered the nut flush hand by thinking too much and making too many assumptions about her hand. should've just c/r'd on the turn. i tank called turn and checked river. azn checked behind and said i was lolhollywooding. actually i took a long time because i was thinking what the optimal line was so lolme

fnord, i'm not sure i follow your logic and I think you may be making an assumption re: hand strength depending on the relative position of the shorty that may not be true in practice. The bottom line is the azn is leading into 2 OOP playing 200 bb deep, which in a vacuum is pretty strong. Regarding the c/r line, a competent player would recognize that 34Jhh is a bad board for all of our ranges pretty much. you'd have to figure shorty's not putting in another chip without a piece, and the board decreases the likelihood of his pfr range hitting. So she'd be pretty much counting on a small portion of the pfr's or mine range hitting to bet for her to c/r her strong hand, or i spaz out and bluff. neither would be a compelling reason to c/r imo

after thinking about it i'm still not sure if it was a raise or a fold. the nit in me says her leading range is strong and she's not doing this with worse than 2 pair or combo draw. if we raise, what are we hoping happens with the azn and with what hand? She's not leading into 2 with dry KKs for example right?
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05-17-2015 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
Fold pre to the raise. Three to a suit is not good

I prob raise turn

Why did you check river? Did you have a read that she would bluff this? You have the Ac, so she cant blocker bluff, and is she really going to value bet third or fourth nuts?
my thinking was that she did not have 2p/set and she's not going to put another cent in the pot with a lower flush or a K+inside wrap type of hand. With those assumptions I was hoping she'd think I would've raised ott with the NF or my call on the turn looks weak enough to value bet Khigh flushes or spaz bluff

convoluted thoughts i know but it made sense to me at the time

and yea fold pre i was getting bored. i'll do that next time..
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05-17-2015 , 02:05 PM
you have the 9c listed twice so something is wrong with the HH

fold pre obv but other than that it's whatever
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05-17-2015 , 02:08 PM
i need to fake grab my chips like i'm going to bet and then not bet more often

i always bet when other people do this
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05-17-2015 , 03:03 PM
1. something like 4 limps, competent looking youngin goes 45 from sb. hes playing 800. you have A9s in bb. wug?

2. different kid playing like 260 makes it 25 you call sb with black 88 bb calls one limper calls. flop A76sss checks to kid who bets 105 do you c/r gii or just fold?
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05-17-2015 , 03:24 PM
2. I don't call pre getting 10x
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05-17-2015 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
i need to fake grab my chips like i'm going to bet and then not bet more often

i always bet when other people do this
Try this some time. Make some movement that could be perceived as a check but isn't really, wait for the dealer to call it a check, then complain loudly that it wasn't a check. Free card!
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05-17-2015 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
1. something like 4 limps, competent looking youngin goes 45 from sb. hes playing 800. you have A9s in bb. wug?

2. different kid playing like 260 makes it 25 you call sb with black 88 bb calls one limper calls. flop A76sss checks to kid who bets 105 do you c/r gii or just fold?
1) I fold
2) bleh, I probably fold but this doesn't seem like a horrible spot to shove (in before soah says it's stupid).
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05-17-2015 , 05:30 PM
Look at how much i've been crushing MTTs this year

Spoiler:


45 degree angle upwards.
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05-17-2015 , 05:37 PM
That's not even the value of one Filthy bluff!

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05-17-2015 , 05:42 PM
cleaning casino bathrooms must be the worst job OAT
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05-17-2015 , 05:49 PM
Play the low level 180 sngs imo. They are very beatable.
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05-17-2015 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
cleaning casino bathrooms must be the worst job OAT
I've had that same thought many times.
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05-17-2015 , 05:50 PM
I'd fold both.

Squeezing in the first hand isn't terrible in most cases, but without an actual read it seems pretty marginal at best. That said, I don't know anything about live game dynamics in 2015 so I could be way off. Stack sizes seem quite awkward for you though as it seems like you'll have to invest quite a bit into a bluff relative to what's already in the pot.

In the second hand he's betting full pot into three players. If he's bluffing all day in this manner then I think you exploit him enough without having to make a hero play with two other players left to act behind you.
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05-17-2015 , 05:52 PM
Forgot this story. When I went to play yesterday it was pretty early - like 9:30ish. Casino was pretty empty. A bunch of people were standing around some old guy that was slumped over on a slot machine. He appeared to be alive but not very responsive. I didn't stick around to see how it turned out.
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05-17-2015 , 05:52 PM
i nitbot folded both

in hand 2 the player after me tankfolded black nines lol
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05-17-2015 , 05:54 PM
and the bettor in hand 2 claimed to have 76o lol
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05-17-2015 , 05:57 PM
that reminds me of a hand..............

I have a full stack. Typical limping type player opens utg for $7. 3 callers and I call with JJ. Not sure why I didn't raise but that's not really the point here - berate me later. Behind me is a guy who just sat down with $100. He raises to $30. Woman calls. I jam. Is this horrible?

Last edited by biggerboat; 05-17-2015 at 05:57 PM. Reason: Oh yea, woman has like $70
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05-17-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Play the low level 180 sngs imo. They are very beatable.
I think about 1/3 of those tourneys are 180mans
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05-17-2015 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
I think about 1/3 of those tourneys are 180mans
What buyin?
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05-17-2015 , 06:03 PM
I decided not to play poker today. I usually play all day Sunday. LOL, I went to the grocery store, drove halfway up the coast to look at some real estate, came back and fished for a few hours, and got home before I normally would get home if I played cards. I forgot all the stuff I could do when I'm not sitting in a poker room.
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