I am more than willing to forgive mistakes because we all make mistakes. But part of that is taking accountability for the mistake. I’m not going to berate others for not being more gracious and forgiving to someone who isn’t sorry, and honestly **** you ami and **** you too deli and bird for leaving me hanging when it was ME taking abuse.

wait what did I do?

And for ****s sake, before you accuse me of garbage like that maybe GOOGLE “failed communism” and see what comes up. Communism is considered a “failed ideology” and “failed communism” almost always is in reference to the USSR.

Are all the historians out to get UD and AmI or is it just Crossnerd??

**** you.

I feel like I have let everyone down

You sat there and said nothing. The silence of your friends etc.

You’re all going on ignore. Im done.

Ok now we've come full circle

If I said capitalism kills millions of poor people you wouldn’t flip out and accuse me of undermining deaths. How stupid are you.

Have I been silent? I feel like I’ve been in here arguing every step of the way

Definitely some sort of online reporting system is the way to go here.

Calvin is an ahole. The original toxic male.

Do girls identify with Calvin reading it as a child? I'd guess they would.

Regardless of who you like or are friends with, the above *is* in fact Nazi apologia, wildly offensive to Jewish people, and unacceptable posting.

And anyone defending the psychology behind the above reaction needs to examine their own.

i feel pretty confident that no one posting here enjoys hurting people.

people can make posts without fully understanding how they will be received, that can hurt. then sometimes people lash out.

i think this place is filled with good, caring people. online stuff can get weird. people can say really awful things and that part sucks. we need to keep it to a minimum. part of that is standing up and speaking out when it happens. another part of it is giving people the benefit of the doubt when they say hurtful things.

idk... i wish everyone would take a step back and cool off

this community, and the people in it, are important to me. i hate to see bad feelings

And Ami and Deli can try to gaslight me about the subtext of that post UD made to me about being potentially sexually harassed, but there is a demonstrable stylistic similarity to his posts that show the animosity behind them.

im going to very mildly defend ud here. but please know that i have YOUR back, and YOU are the one im mainly trying to help here with this post...

yes agree 100% what ud said here is totally wrong and needs to be called out. but here is the mild defense.. i'm pretty sure this is the absolute worst UD has ever posted online. so imagine if someone found our worst posts and reposted them lol!! i know i'd be so ashamed and embarrassed and guilt ridden.

so idk... my hope is that you can see it in the context that UD was hurt and lashing out irrationally, and that he is a better person, a much much much better person, than his worst posts.

i know i'm a way better person than my worst posts, and i know you are too. so idk, hopefully if you see it that way it will be less hurtful to you?


and if you don't wanna hear this right now, i totally get that. and im sorry if i made things worse

i was trying to help you feel better. im not very good at this

if I said something in anger or the heat of the moment, I would apologize or walk it back when I calmed down or my temp-ban ended

we've all said things we regret

he didn't do that. He had days to think about it and doubled down

the fact that he usually doesn't post like that just means he has mostly kept a good face and hidden the hate and animosity

even before he took the mask off in the way he talked to and about mets, it was clear he was toxic from the many times he used to threaten to leave pog if he didn't get his way on this or that, leveraging games he ran for political power

UD sent me a nice PM after my cat died-- which was nice of him.
He's been helpful stepping in with vote counter stuff when I was having issues.

Ultimately having a Hitler vs Stalin debate lead to all of this is sort of unfortunate.

Everyone of course is to varying degrees correct.

yeah

I think it will help if I stop posting in the politics thread or at least stick to commentary mode like pwns/booker/etc

I don’t like that so many people are upset

I think UD was out of line with a lot of what he said to CN and to Sun. As Sun said, the fact that UD doubled down on most of it rather that apologizing makes it difficult to just forgive him.

UD has been super helpful and generous with his time, and has backed me up on many modding decisions I have had, including when some of the more controversial ones that I think most would consider on the “too woke” side of things. He has been similarly generous and supportive or Deli. I’m not talking about him being good just because he runs games—that is, frankly, irrelevant.

So I am not sure how to square all of this. I don’t want to condemn someone for a bad moment (or a few bad moments as the case may be) balanced against his otherwise generous nature. But the stuff he has said/done has obviously been quite hurtful and his refusal to apologize makes it near impossible to forgive.

Not really sure what to do

in the end it may not matter if UD never “comes back” as it were

to be honest, I think UD would say he doesn’t want to be forgiven. And that is a shame

UD put up with me arguing with him and badgering him about the r-slur for months until he finally whole-heartedly changed his mind, added a caveat about it specifically to his rules for anniversary, and ended up MKing someone right at the start of the game for an obvious breach

I think crossnerds reading of that particular ud comment is reasonable, though I still don't read it that way.

I'm also not shocked ud or someone would be offended by holodomor if they believed it and were descended from that area. Though at the end of the day this is a politics thread so anything vaguely politics should get a bit more latitude.

People are making it very difficult to not troll!

As a cultural assimilationist I've realized I have to be willing to assimilate to others culture as well. Dammit.