How was there nazi propaganda after they were both dead? Or is it neo nazi propaganda? Seems like it's admitting hitler was bad as well.

Ah yes, thank you.

There's a different thing between arguing over who the worst dictatorial mass murderer is and defending a particular mass murderer.

Both are going to inflame passions, but, they are very different things.

And Sun/birdman I can't work out which one you are doing.

Are you saying that Stalin didnt murder mass numbers of his own citizens or that the number is exaggerated? Or that it was justified killing? Or something else?

Idk if I even want to get in to this

I've never said anything in favor of Stalin.

The number of deaths he's responsible for is an interesting question and it's hard to find reliable unbiased information.

Almost 800k people were given death sentences while Stalin was general secretary.

How many ended up being executed? Most historians put it at a few hundred thousand.

How many were unjust? Well there were nazi infiltrators and other counterrevolutionaries but I find it hard to imagine that there were no innocent victims.

And of course not all criminals were political criminals so you're also looking at rapists and murderers in there.

I'm opposed to capital punishment so I'm already not a fan.

The claims of multiple millions are based on a propaganda campaign that literally started in Nazi Germany while Hitler was in power. This is the "Holodomor" claim that Stalin and the Soviet Union deliberately caused a famine in Ukraine in 1932-33 which caused millions of deaths. All sources of these stories trace back to fascists, Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

Was Stalin a monster? By my standards, yes.

Is he comparable to Hitler? I don't think so.

Do I have any interest in discussing which murderers are more evil than others? Not really. All murderers are monsters. Anyone who wishes pain and death on innocent people is also a monster, even if they don't have the courage and opportunity to kill.

OK that all makes sense.

Screw the murderers.

welp

Confession: I’ve told someone I hope they die before. I’m not proud of it and it was an emotional time. I don’t think I’m a monster. It was a learning experience for me and a reason to re-evaluate how I was handling my anger.

Let’s not throw people away for making mistakes.

I never apologized to that person, I just learned and grew and dealt with my brokenness. I’m a better person now.

the earth hopes all of us humans die

Anger isn't hate and all things can be forgiven if someone changes

Forgiveness is given not taken, offense is taken not given. Or that's mostly nonsense.

I definitely notice the "now that you know if you continue acting that way you have no excuse" line a lot more like with the Michael b Jordan thing. Not sure if relatively new or been happening since beginning of time.

Mostly comes off as preachy at best to be.

Not that that happened here.

Theoretically what's better, half assed apologies, relative or partial apologies, or no apology.

a sincere expression of regret and a desire to change can be a good thing

a statement made for pr purposes is meaningless

demanding apologies is absurd

We’ve all done bad things. I don’t think anybody here necessarily wants to “throw away” UD, but part of society forgiving mistakes is the perpetrators actually being sorry. If UD stands by his behavior, then frankly he can go **** himself until he fixes that attitude.

What do the studies say about "forcing" kids to apologize, if you read about that? Seems probably bad.

wow 22 years for the cop who killed george floyd

Idiots who think that racism isn't rampant in America's police forces: "See! The system works!"

This can't possibly be news to anyone paying attention.

I was definitely a bit taken aback a couple years while visiting my my super liberal aunt and uncle, when after talking some politics she informed me that Russia is in fact the enemy-- which was an attitude born from nightly Maddow watching.
But it's the "open and unabashedly" part that's still new enough.

can we make 2 right-wing talking points fight to the death now?

"cops are heroes" versus "all we need is more good guys with guns"

https://m.dw.com/en/cubas-covid-vacc...rna/a-58052365

I didn't actually read the article obv.