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11-07-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Lol Dems talking about being more centrist. You were saved by youth and predominantly Black cities. If they don’t embrace that they def lose next time.
the dems counting on black and youth vote, and then ignoring them has been dem platform for generations.
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11-07-2020 , 02:01 PM
i've posted this clip of malcolm x a bazillion times. but it's only one minute long, and it lays out how effed up the dems are and people who still support them

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11-07-2020 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
are you saying the american democratic party is pro immigration?
Yes, they're far too pro-immigration and socially liberal to qualify as "far right" by European standards. Limiting immigration - doesn't have to be illegal - and opposing the supposed corrupting influence of left-liberals on social mores are the foundational issues of the European far right.

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also the usa democrats have supported every single war effort and coup the usa has ever even considered(which is a lot)
The European far right doesn't really have a coherent pan-European position on the topic of US military interventionism. They emphasize their own country's national interest over humanitarian concerns, but how that translates to views of the US and NATO differs by country.

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and the democrats love to be tough on crime, no health insurance, low taxes for the rich and corporations
On those specific issues, the current Democratic president elect ran on a platform that called for 1.) reducing incarceration rates by lowering sentences for nonviolent crime, 2.) raising taxes on the rich, and 3.) expanding access to health insurance while increasing the government's role in providing health care. So a reasonable European will acknowledge that he ran as a centre-left candidate, even if some of those policy goals still leave him in right-wing territory by the standards of many European countries.
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11-07-2020 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone

On those specific issues, the current Democratic president elect ran on a platform that called for 1.) reducing incarceration rates by lowering sentences for nonviolent crime, 2.) raising taxes on the rich, and 3.) expanding access to health insurance while increasing the government's role in providing health care. So a reasonable European will acknowledge that he ran as a centre-left candidate, even if some of those policy goals still leave him in right-wing territory by the standards of many European countries.
this is really backwards. sorry to react with such hostility.

he did run on reducing incarceration rates, but he wants to reduce them to rates that are about 5x that in europe! so if it was europe he'd be increasing them more than anyone ever

same goes for raising taxes on the rich. he wants to raise them to rates that are waaaay lower than in europe.

and he does want to expand healthcare access, but he want to expand it to such limited access that europeans would never consider voting for him.

his biggest accomplishment in govt is the 1994 crime bill which is largely responsible for the largest rates of imprisonment in the world.

usa has famous wealth inequality that biden perpetuates.

biden is opposed to universal healthcare
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11-07-2020 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Lol Dems talking about being more centrist. You were saved by youth and predominantly Black cities. If they don’t embrace that they def lose next time.
of course

this is exactly what i was saying the other day

they don’t care about “winning” or representing the people that voted for them

they care are protecting the interests of their donors
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11-07-2020 , 02:29 PM
using the tired old nazi comparison. it's like hitler kills 6 million jews, and biden wants to kill only 5 million. and you're saying "he's campaigning on saving jews"
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11-07-2020 , 02:30 PM
tappokone is wrong and that is all there is to it
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11-07-2020 , 02:31 PM
he is forever a liberal apologist
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11-07-2020 , 02:31 PM
if it takes a candidate as bad as trump for the dems to win... i mean jfc... how the hell are the dems gonna win in the future?
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11-07-2020 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
i've posted this clip of malcolm x a bazillion times. but it's only one minute long, and it lays out how effed up the dems are and people who still support them
I'll say again that with hindsight we know that Malcolm X was wrong to argue that Johnson won't deliver on civil rights legislation.
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11-07-2020 , 02:43 PM
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I'll say again that with hindsight we know that Malcolm X was wrong to argue that Johnson won't deliver on civil rights legislation.
lol! omfg! are you trying to argue that dem politicians represent the interests of black community, and malcolm x?

because that is malcolm's point. that they don't have representation.
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11-07-2020 , 02:43 PM
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11-07-2020 , 02:48 PM
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if it takes a candidate as bad as trump for the dems to win... i mean jfc... how the hell are the dems gonna win in the future?
Just wait for Tucker Carlson 2024. You assume Republicans will run a better candidate.

Neither of them will, of course.
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11-07-2020 , 02:48 PM
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11-07-2020 , 02:50 PM
that take that vmf posted seems a bit racist
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11-07-2020 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
that take that vmf posted seems a bit racist
shocking
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11-07-2020 , 02:53 PM
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if it takes a candidate as bad as trump for the dems to win... i mean jfc... how the hell are the dems gonna win in the future?
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Just wait for Tucker Carlson 2024. You assume Republicans will run a better candidate.

Neither of them will, of course.
that’s the thing, though

if we remember that ultimately the money backing both parties only cares about getting a politician that represents their interests as much as possible, if the GOP runs a more pro-business anti-poor candidate, then the dems will just move to the right accordingly

the worse the candidate the GOP runs the worst the candidate the dems can run with the ultimate result being a politician guaranteed to be even more aligned with the interests of the rich
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11-07-2020 , 02:53 PM
african american voters carried biden to the primary win, of course they "rock with biden like that".
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11-07-2020 , 02:54 PM
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Just wait for Tucker Carlson 2024. You assume Republicans will run a better candidate.

Neither of them will, of course.
is tucker worse than trump? idk man

it's hard to think of someone the repubs could run that is worse than trump
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11-07-2020 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
that take that vmf posted seems a bit racist
The entire “they stole the race” rhetoric is rooted in racism. It has been since it seemed inevitable Black cities were going to deliver the final votes. Trump was talking about Detroit and Philly as corrupt horrible places. They do feel like it was stolen from them, by Black Americans.
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11-07-2020 , 02:57 PM
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african american voters carried biden to the primary win, of course they "rock with biden like that".
this is heartbreakingly true

and then biden said "if you don't vote for me, you aint black"

and the bit about black parents raising their children by record player

oh, and the racist 94 crime bill, destroying millions of black lives
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11-07-2020 , 02:58 PM
Filthy criticizing oppressed people for doing things they believe is best - a tale as old as time.
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11-07-2020 , 02:59 PM
I mean Biden is incredibly racist, his policies are racist, etc

It’s just that Trump managed to be more racist. It’s just a cruel joke.

Biden 94 crime bill, pro-segregated bussing, constant racist rhetoric, pro cop, his own running mate ran on a platform of him being racist

And Trump just managed to outdo that racism

that’s the situation in our country right now
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11-07-2020 , 02:59 PM
I have never really watched FOX much before. Coverage is interesting last couple of hours.

They have already moved on from Trump

They are going with Trump has the "right" to pursue things, but there is no evidence of large scale fraud anywhere...

They wonder why his allegations are talking about looking for evidence of fraud, rather than citing them

They are talking about Biden being a Centrist could make working with him easier.

They are focussed on the Senate runoffs

They also note that the more Biden starts planning and announcing positions in his Cabinet, etc, the less anyone will care about Trump's allegations.

I think the next stage of grief and anger from Trump is going to be directed against his own party, and not again the Dems. He is going to be very, very angry that the people he helped win are/will be basically abandoning him.
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11-07-2020 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Filthy criticizing oppressed people for doing things they believe is best - a tale as old as time.
Filthy is criticizing the institution that forced oppressed people to have to choose between two overtly racist people and somehow determine which is slightly less racist than the other

that is a reasonable criticism
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