On a more serious note

Was he under pressure and gonna miss night?

People say stuff like that as an i dare you sometimes

Yeah, this isn't about how bad the claim was strategically. WN made a pretty bad claim the game before but all we did was lolwn in post game.

Quarrrr literally justifies it with "I don't wanna play anymore"

just ban most Estonians except willi and qq. they just don't play the same way and looks to be trouble in general

This was the most recent VC before his claim. Fran was his peek fwiw.

Petitioning Obama is a good first step

He had zero pressure and he hardclaimed hours before night. Besides that, he clearly states he is claiming so that he doesn't have to play any more.

This is a slippery slope though. I think its tough to start banning people because of universally regarded strategical errors.

If he is punished has to be because of the "don't want to play anymore" comment and everyone has to understand that. Can't punish a guy for playing seer differently, even if it is universally regarded as a suboptimal way to play. Hope that makes sense.

Redd, I agree totally. No one should be punished for playing badly/suboptimally.

Oh boy

The only thing I know about Quarrr is that I ran a game about 15 months ago and he had been participating adequately and then suddenly subbed out because he decided that he had signed up for too many games and couldn't keep up with them both. I was pretty annoyed by that and considered declining his request.

No one is saying to ban him for playing bad obv. He blatantly sabotaged.

I've played only a couple game with him before and he never did anything really bad. It is totally acceptable to claim ahead of time if you know you won't be on later to claim and think you will be lynched. Although he sounds more paranoid than most but that doesn't mean he wasn't right. Granted this site seems to troll more than most, which provokes troll or angry responses.

He claimed because he thought he would get lynched anyway and was leaving for the day. Whether you believe him or not seems to be the decision. Stick to those facts when making your decision. And yes he's allowed to get angry if people are acting like trolls to him regardless to whetehr he was claiming or not.

I won't get into too much discussion on whether he should be banned or not since I am new, but he did not claim because he was getting lynched. He was in no danger of getting lynched from what I can remember. His peek was in danger of getting lynched, but there really wasn't any traction for killing quarrr.

He can claim his cover was destroyed by me newbing it up and monstr spewing, but the fact remains he decided to quit because he couldn't be bothered to play.

Crimson, I refuse that anyone, even Fran, can look at the VC and say "Well, I'm being lynched"

if he wont be back and thinks either he or fran will be the lynch he has the right to claim

Let's be clear here. He randed seer. He gets to play the role. He has the right to claim regardless of what he thinks.

But he doesn't have the right to keep quitting games.

No one is even discussing the strategic value of claiming or otherwise. You're wrong in any case, mets. A seer should not claim to save his n0 peek. If needs be, you just have to let them get lynched. You're worth more as a seer.

whether a seer shoudl or shouldnt isnt part of this discussion
you cant ban someone for disagreeing with you

if the issue is that hes a dick and always sabatoges games, thats different

but no i wouldnt ban him for claiming seer on day 1

I think you are missing the reasoning behind this Mets

you are assuming because he typed that that that is why he quit

i get that if he quit because he didnt want to play he deserves punishment

from the little bit of evidence im not convinced thats what happened

regardless, im def not a fan of quarr so wont shed any tears if he was punished

mets, it's a text-based game. All you have to go on is what people type.

If this was an isolated incident it'd be different. He quit playing a prior game and was banned then hard claimed cause he said he couldn't be bothered to play.

He was a lot of fun to play with awhile ago

RIP Quarrrr

Skype tellz doe

I don't have an opinion on Monkey's decision except that as game mod he's entitled to make that decision.

regarding Quarrrr, I'm interested in discussing how I'm supposed to know when to moderate regarding in-game decisions

I hate what he did and think it's part of a pattern of thinking he can pretty much shaft games

I also hate the idea of policing -EV play

makes this hard