Why wouldn't it be? MP just unloaded the Chainsaw of the century on DarthPunk to bail out Synonym from getting lynched. Why wouldn't I find at least the possibility of them being partners compelling?

I'm getting off for a fair while really soon, and I'm not entirely satisfied with my vote.

You explain WHY you think someone is scum and Accompany that with evidence to back your assertions.

Summarizing what happened in the thread without any additional original thoughts and then stating X is scum is not scumhunting and is not making case. It is summarizing the thread and calling someone scum for no reason.

I wasn't wrong. I said that you making that post bitching about people constant comparing win percentages and games played made no sense when people were not constantly doing that at all.

I asked you to point out where people were constantly doing that.

You pointed out one part of one post. Which was not Constantly and not enough for your bitching to make any sense as a genuine and spontaneous post.

You have not demonstratively disproved anything no matter how many times you repeat that you have.


I don't think I made a mountain out of a mole hill. I thought you posted something that wasn't genuine and that your reaction to it was scummy. Your play following that did nothing to change my mind and did nothing to further the goals of the town.

Like your deflections are amusing but all you are doing is saying the same old pile of nothing.

I think you are scum, you haven't changed my mind. So I want to lynch you.

Okay, clearly you guys play a very different style of mafia to us. I've been honest, open and as clear about my alignment as I can without posting my ****ing PM.

I'm playing this game how I normally play. If it's not what you're used to that means I'll hopefully evolve as a player.

When the write-up reveals me as a civilian, would you push Darth tomorrow?

you seemed fine with it 20 minutes ago

at any rate, you have a couple other people you're "fine" with too, maybe you should vote one of them if you're unsatisfied

Gut reads (meaning, without any targeted player reads and having only read the thread once)

CDL - The pressure on him early yesterday seemed like crap, but then he totally disappeared. The fact that he disappeared makes me feel like he was intentionally letting the heat fall off of him. Started goodish, moved to neutral

Cory- Mostly good seeming. As I said before I liked his "Im town" bravado at the beginning and while I dont entirely agree with his posts from last night they seemed to have some legit effort behind them

DarthPunk- Similar to Cory I bought the "Im town" bravado. Im always not sure what to do with overconfident players like DP though. Im really surprised he has (I think) near the most lynch votes right now though. Definitely wouldnt lynch him today as I think over time he will become more readable.

DJarm - Interesting as I think he is the player that most people have put into both good and evil camps (meaning I have seen lots of highly varying opinions of him and I dont know why). I like the lists he is posting, and a fair number of his reads overlap with mine which makes me feel good about him, but tone wise hes pretty neutral to me.

Dwetzl - Very similar to CDL in that I feel like he pulled back from the game as he was getting pressure from Luck/Cohen/others? I liked his question earlier about what people knew about their forummates though.

Ernie/Shills - Came in with a bang and seemed pretty good tome. Lean good on him, but Im not sold on it not being part of an evil act. Dils said something to that effect earlier I believe?? Liek Darthpunk, I think I will get a clearer view of him later in the game, but I think he is more good than DP is.

Gamer Dude - Not terribly memorable in my mind, which suggests evil by PoE to me. Not a strong read in any way.

Guild - I think maybe a good? I think his posting style is detrimental to the team and he doesnt care that it is, which is unfortunate. I hope hes seer or something cause hes definitely not getting NK'd by the wolves as he seems like a very viable lynch target in the future, but like I said, I think hes good with people barking up the wrong tree.

_J_ - J is neutral to me, but everyone else seems to think J is good, which is fine by me.

Jcohen - Started off heavily town for me, has moved down to neutral/slightly townish, probably because Im struggling to follow his train of thought and his penchant for exaggeration distracts me. I think its notable that if synonym does wind up being a wolf that Jcohen might be another wolf trying to start a train on guild before the syn train dissolved.

Lawrence - A decent number of posts, but not memorable to me for some reason. Neutral, but not necessarily evil by PoE like gamer is?

Luckbox - Perhaps top town read for me. Calling some of his actions role neutral when people said they were good. The curiosities. The attitude. The reads. I approve.

Mattchew - Despite his one big post I pretty much have no opinions here, putting him in the Gamerdude camp for me.

MissingPerson - I have a hard time following MissingPerson's posts only because we clearly approach things very differently. That makes him neutral to me, but so many people seem to see him as good that hes kinda like J is.

Nick - Best guy NA

Phelanpt - I told you I cant really read Phel. Im surprised so many have him at the top of their town lists, but thats fine by me.

Pres Eden - Seems good, but at the same time, almost too squeaky (meaning, too polished to actually be good?). Wouldnt push him today but eye on him.

Rokk - Tone seems good but all he wants to do is organize the village which isnt really helpful. It isnt harmful either.

SJG - I think the approach he took to this game at the beginning was bad, and by virtue of that, I think he is good. What I mean is that evils tend to be more cautious, and I think he kinda tripped a bit and has been pointing fingers lots of directions. Evils dont want to make enemies.

Synonym - I already mentioned synonym in an earlier post, he does some things that seem like evil fire fighting, but hes also (or at least was) in a pickle. My moving off him is mostly because there didnt seem to be a counter wagon.

System - Has had some reasonable posts today. Not too much of an opinion there.

Tattersail - Ill admit now Im easily buddied up to and Tatter liking a few of my posts has made me like him very quickly.

The Moocher - I like The Moocher's line of questioning so far and he posted a great gif in response to my friend request, so we are buds.

Windshipper/Dils - I have no strong opinion on Dils.

WWWwombat - I think WWWwombat is good for being combative.

Sooo... gamerdude ?

That's not a good reason at all to get defensive or out of whack.
People will misread you, accuse you, and try to lynch you when you're a civ, and that doesn't even necessarily mean they're evil. It's even less of a reason to get that out of whack.

Eden, do you think that he'd actually be brazen enough to post this about his scum partner?

unvote

vote: djarm67

Come on, CDL. There are like 1500 posts: who should be lynched and why? I don't want to lynch someone only because they have large multiquote posts.


@Mattchew: don't forget to answer to this, I'm interested:

Liking Systemoverload more and more btw

The problem is that I've had to spend every single moment I've been in the thread defending myself from this ridiculous bandwagon.

Seriously, now that the original interaction has been re-posted several times I hope the civilians who were blindly lynching me will ease off and let me do some work.

I only have a finite amount of time to commit here. If every 4th post is someone accusing me then I have to spend a lot of my time responding to them.

No, but I wouldn't push MP either I don't think. I could have bought him being mafia and looking to get towncred by defending you earlier, but going all-out on DarthPunk doesn't fit a mafia profile if you're town.

I'm townreading DarthPunk for a lot more than him scumreading you. I don't understand why you flipping town suddenly makes him mafia.

What is tvt?

I'm not used to being in this position. You can conceptualise it as a big fish in a small pond becoming a little fish in a big pond.

Sorry for using shorthand in a mafia crossover game. Town versus town.

This makes zero sense unless he was busing.

This is a read I was starting to get, but I had to press the issue to get it done, more on that later.

This is the only time cory has really given a reason as to why he thinks DarthPunk is town.

Check the linkback on Phelanpt's first post in this string. For some reason, this is really unsettling to me.

This is cory's NEW reasoning for why DarthPunk is civ, because the other one wasn't good enough.

He doesn't elaborate further.

Yet he was already locked in on Synonym before.

I'm pretty sure you do, just so your bus doesn't lose its limelight.

Precisely.


I have to ask later why I wasn't on his list.

This is my harkening back to cory's posts about being bored by the vigi discussion. I'll let the discussion speak for itself now.

I didn't so I dropped them.

I've played this line as mafia before. I'm not saying that's the case here, it may be innocuous, but quoted for posterity's sake.

Still trying to make sure that his bus doesn't get ignored.

No, honestly, it wasn't. He completely ignored the fact that he erred and started a lynch on Synonym in response to the fact that Synonym called him out for a faux paux himself.

Yet you said, "Hasn't happened yet." You're on record of that in my previous post. And you refuse to answer his question. You are deflecting, whether you want to believe it or not.

Refer to Exhibit A. Remember, he said anyone that feels above contributing is going to be an auto-mafia claim to him?

Remember how many people have called out CalledDownLight for not contributing, and how he literally said it's not worth it for him to contribute if the thread < 500 posts?

Apparently, cory doesn't remember that, or doesn't care, because CalledDownLight is his top civ. Right below him is Dark Helmet himself, captain inconsistent.

This is the response that netted me my town read on Syn. Once again, I won't explain it. There's no need. The rest can be read in its entirety without commentary.

Including him.

He has, again I iterate, never given justification to why corycurren is civ. Just he is, deal with it.

But apparently he needs more.


Here's my read on this entire situation.

I'm fairly certain corycurren, DarthPunk, and CalledDownLight are working together. I see a mafia pattern here.

DarthPunk is the only one I'm 100% on I'm 90% on cory, and 85% on CDL.

But here's the reasons:

1) cory says that people not feeling it's in their interest to contribute to civs win is an auto mafia claim. Yet CalledDownLight is given a free pass.

2) cory gives DarthPunk a relatively instantaneous Civilian Stamp of Approval, and takes a long time to give a reason why.

3) cory engages in the vigi discussion and backs out claiming boredom and not wanting to convince the YOLO shooters why NOT shooting night 1 is a smart move. He wants to give them the leeway to do it while distancing himself from the topic as, "Well, I didn't egg it on, so I'm in the clear." I did this with a discussion of a serial killer role as mafia where I bodied the civs (And Syn just happened to flip serial killer)

4) DarthPunk takes a different route, and buries CalledDownLight, yet unvotes, and goes after a weaker mark when he sees a perfect opportunity. 1, 2, and 4, gives the perfect smokescreen, where if any of the three go down, they can't fully be linked to each other, and therefore, it takes the civs longer to lynch the three of them, ensuring more mafia favored lynches before the trio goes out.

5) DarthPunk calls Synonym out for an inaccuracy, then further causes inaccuracies, but takes the hypocritical route when called out on his own inaccuracies, doubly so when the inaccuracy points to him to be the original fault that Synonym found. He then snap votes Synonym and belittles him after every post he makes.

6) DarthPunk then makes sure while he's online that a large sum of his posts directly references Synonym's alleged guilt, even making sure he votes twice more despite his vote already counting. This is to make sure that the bus gets going without it looking like it was done in private.

7) DarthPunk clears corycurren without giving any reason whatsoever.

8) I clear Synonym by saying something that happened in a game on another forum, and he says that's not good enough, despite corycurren doing the same for him, and it being good enough, without any full references of this.

9) DarthPunk continues to prod for the reason. At this point I believe he is mafia, expecting that if I said I have had an epiphany and something in SRK meta has brought it up, that Synonym has a role, and that he could get me to leak it. If that were the case, mafia has a linear night kill ahead of them. He even says he wants to believe, but I need to provide something more substantial.

10) I refuse, and he stays on Synonym, despite the litany of hate on CDL. Why? He knows a CDL bus could take wheels, and it would put mafia in an early deficit.

11) He later tells someone else that my disclosure that Synonym is civ has lowered his suspicion of him. Yet he stays his course. Why? Because he would then have to turn his lynch vote to the only other one he's really pointed a finger at: CDL, which I highly believe is his teammate.


These three need to go, and I believe in this order:

DarthPunk
corycurren
CalledDownLight


Once again, Synonym is innocent. Anyone staying on this train from herein is going to get their necks breathed on hard by me in Day 2.

Nickismyname, please reread gamer dude's entrance. I think it's good enough to merit leaving him alive for now.

(Ps, vote djarm67)

Still your friend. You don't make it easy, but still friending you.

Because I don't want him to escape tomorrow by going "LOL GUESS I WAS WRONG! JUST KIDDING, SYNONYM WAS ****". There has been plenty of evidence posted counter to what he has claimed about me, and yet that hasn't given him a moments pause? Is that really so civ like? Committing to your reads is one thing but being unreasonable to the point of exclusion is another.

My guess? Town vs town.

I kinda like that nick braindump even though I don't love the lack of actual wolf reads in it

partly because I kinda feel the same way so I can't hate on it too much

I think it's good that he noticed me "disappearing" from the thread. (The correct answer for why is "have RL job that means my internet access for a few hours a couple afternoons a week is essentially zero", if you're wondering. Same thing will happen tomorrow.)

I empathize with this to some extent, but in your shoes I would be digging into my suspects and trying to prove my alignment by attacking the people I think are bad instead of spending so much time defending myself.

And to be clear it's not just that you're defending yourself (which would indeed be a stupid reason to vote for you), it's that your reads seem mostly focused on you in one way or another (townreading people who townread you, scumreading people who scumread you), and again, I don't see you questioning your scumreads all that much.

1 page later, you still haven't posted your read of Syn, after the debacle.

Eden is making really ****ing solid points. Please read his posts carefully.

CLD STILL hasn't provided a solid read with solid reasoning as far as I know.

All those talking about no Synonym counter wagon. CLEARLY a counter wagon formed on me.

So don't use that as an excuse to opt out of the lynch plz.

btw, posts like this saying "me, maybe I was too harsh on him" are another reason to think this guy's a villager

a wolf just runs with it/really tries to put their foot through someone's neck

shows me he's thinking about the game

OK, that's a different question, and yes I will revisit my townread of DarthPunk if you flip town. I think I misread you as asking me if I'd automatically read DP as mafia if you died, which I felt was an unreasonable demand. But if you're just asking me not to let DP off the hook then yes, he's not going to avoid scrutiny tomorrow if you flip town.

i'm reading them. I dont have follow up questions.