Keeping this brief as I'm trying to get it out as quickly as I can. This is me being completely transparent.
1. DathPunk: He's been pushing me around, and touting that I've posting nothing/scummy posts all game but has only just (within the past hour) posted an elaboration on those feelings. Just to refresh everyone's minds, here's my original post and his reaction to it.
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Iw something about there being a mobile app for this site, anyone have a bead on it?
Also, just a suggestion but can we leave the sick measuring contest at the door? You were all obviously got enough to be chosen for this game. There's no need to constantly post about your win rate, games played etc. Of you can't convince the town to lynch somebody based on some form of evidence then you might be in the wrong game.
Leave the big noting for the player bio's and end game.
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
Where have people constantly posted about their winrate or games played? Quote me an example, because I just read the thread and that is NOT the first thing that came to mind.
I call bull**** on this post.
Apparently that post was enough for him to get a mafia vibe from me. Those were my feelings, expressed in a fairly unassuming post. I then responded with:
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Literally the first example I found.
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
I wouldn't call that constantly. That is like one post.
Do you have any reads thus far? if so, what are they?
At this point it was still a fairly reasonable discussion. I had only just joined the thread, was being overwhelmed by the number of posts and the ****ty site when viewed from mobile and had just gotten off a 12 hour ER shift. I proceed to respond with:
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Just got the phone app so this is 100x easier to respond.
There is a severe undertone of "I've won so many times before that I'm right on this matter.
Disagree so you want but you went from claiming to have read the thread and seen no examples to writing it off as inconsequential.
As for reads I find it curious why you zero'd in on such an innocuous post or of all the ones you could choose to reply to. Is it because it was an easy selection target?
Other than that, I'd like to see wombat and cdl post more to get an idea of their personalities.
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I thought that this was a fairly adequate response to his questions. It wasn't the most wordy of suspect lists, or in fact the most concrete, but I'd already spent my entire time in the thread until that point responding to him. Only for him to apparently jump the shark and respond with:
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
Because you were talking bull**** that had nothing to do with finding scum ort advancing the goals of the town. I found that suspicious.
I still find that suspicious because you went from originally bitching about 'constant' dick measuring etc. to ONE POST and an 'undertone' which is the most convenient way to back track because it is subjective and impossible to prove or disprove.
also I didn't ask who you wanted to post more. I wanted a read. just one.
I personally believe that asking everyone to check their ego's at the door was a tremendous aid in helping the civilian cause. Regardless, apparently explaining my rationale was "backtracking". Despite the evidence that it had occurred in the thread.
This then led to Shills calling him on his rather unusual crusade and prompted this response:
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
What do you mean making up a case. That guy literally complained about something that hasn;t happened.
So he is either not reading the thread or lying or both. Does that not seem scummy to you?
Would you expect a townie to read the thread and post that of all things?
And I did respond to your question, although I don't really see the purpose of it. If you want to analyze my meta I would just tell you anything that is convenient to me as scum. So unless you ware willing to read my previous games it seems like a waste of time to try and understand my 'style' especially because you asked ME and not some objective 3rd party.
This response was made by DP to Shills, who called him out on his rather irrational witchhunt of me.
This is pretty much the point where my tired patience wore out. If it's not clear, I tried my best to make my position on this matter clear to DP only for him to continually ignore my posts and lambaste me. Even in the face of contradictions in his evidence.
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Originally Posted by Synonym
I used the first post I found because quoting on the website from mobile sucks ass.
Also swype keyboards sick so I apologise to everyone for the at times incoherent sentences.
I don't know how you play these games but I like to give myself a chance to see how people are interacting to give myself an idea of alignments or their game plans.
Being an ******* and stubbornly refusing to admit that you were wrong, even going so far as to insinuate that I was wrong is suspicious. It's irrefutable that you said that there were zero instances of it occurring. I showed one example, whose existence completely undermines your argument. Literally 1 or more cases means that you are wrong.
I'm normally pretty easy going but if you're going to try and make me look the fool, try not to incriminate yourself in the thread first.
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From here it was all downhill.
However, reviewing my initial posts I can't understand how people seem to think that DP had a reasonable and solid case against me? I mean, I responded to everything he asked and attempted to explain my position. Nothing I posted was unreasonable so I'm not sure why he continued to make such a huge deal out of it.
Regardless, that's the set-up to the current situation.
Subsequently, DP has shown himself buddying up with cory and has somehow managed to completely move away from his early scum reads on CDL (which I thought were actually quite appropriate) and onto pushing my wagon by blowing the above incident out of proportion.
DP has certainly been doing more than I have to drive the discussion, although most of that diving has been based on fabrications, exaggerations, and with the aid of his mafia teammates.
2. corycurren: At first I wasn't sure whether he was a 2cool4school poster, but his attitude hasn't seemed to improve over the course of the day. I saw someone earlier mention that cory can tend to be a bit of an *******, even as a civilian but to me his focus this game has been completely off where it should be for someone so purportedly good at this game.
He's repeatedly insisted that he is civilian, and that other people are confirmed civilians without elaborating further on the matter. I've been getting roasted for not fully explaining my thoughts on people but he gets a free pass to be the magical civilian confirmation fairy?
On top of all of this, he jumped onto my wagon third. Right after DP and SJG started it. With no explanation, or even reads of his own to back up his position. Considering the interaction, quoted above, that's a pretty steep leap to make for a master werewolf player.
3. calleddownlight: CDL made himself quite unpopular with his position on the vigilante. Personally, I like to play vigi as a middle ground, pursuing my own reads at times, but at others using my ability to ensure that civilians will have some direction going into the next day phase. But that is irrelevant at this point. What was curious was that he continued to push the mechanic over and over in the thread.
Everyone here is experienced enough to know how the role works and both the pros and cons for it. They've all obviously made up their own minds on it long before the game started and it is unlikely that a in-depth discussion of it is likely to change anyones thoughts on it.
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Seems like I will be posting a lot of mechanics in this game. People here tend to criticize me for it because they claim that I am hiding behind it to not talk about the game itself, but such a fundamental misunderstanding of how to use certain roles is unacceptable to me.
He then dismisses the then-growing opposition to his ideas, as well as the necessity of discussing them with this single post.
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
lol. then what do we do with the 8 wagon? let him live til endgame? Kill him later? If we kill him later then we wasted a kill that has more leverage down the line. If we let him live then lol at us if he is a wolf and wins. I'll go back read your bio, but it seems like you were mistakenly invited to this game or are purposely being naive in order to hide behind what must be fake confidence since the strategy of holding a vig is strictly dominated by using it (unless your name is Top Tier Tom who I guess came from one of these games so the strat may be more valid).
He then apparently takes singular offense to someone who disagrees with his feelings, going so far as to insult his right to be here. That's not really how a champion should behave. Nor is it very productive. I mean seriously, can you not understand that people have different opinions. Wow deja vu, it's almost like I was accusing Darth of this just a moment ago.
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Originally Posted by corycurren
Honestly I think POG players are better wolfhunters than most, but 2+2 is based off complicated lines of meta and personal reads that I still don't understand. I'm still pretty blown away whenever ihcjay catches Zayana after three posts or Luckbox outs Mets as soon as he gets into the game.
If it's anything like 2 or 3, most of the talk Day 1 is going to be about mechanics and style of player, which is all pretty fairly non-alignment indicative. Other forums are a bit bigger on big walls of text and lack brevity, and there's a lot more fluff.
Plenty of players will miss EOD, which severely hurts our ability to CFD and townies will leave votes on players who have made themselves obvitown regardless of their own alignment, so wagonomics isn't going to be as effective a tool either.
From general experience, townhunting and forming stable townreads is something very rare in other forums, which is mindboggling. POE is in my opinion the most valuable tool ANY townie has, but mountains-out-of-molehills cases seem to be the more popular "scumhunting method".
It's going to be a bit of a culture shift.
Cory makes quite a reasonable post. Now, note that I think both of these people are mafia but they can still make great posts against each other. In this case, Cory sums up quite neatly the argument.
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Thanks.
I am going to go on the record and say this is completely unacceptable. It is basically never too late to change wagons of start a CFD to lynch a wolf. Here in POG we have had wolves go from <5 to 15, 20, or 25 votes to become the lead wagon and get lynched in less than 15 minutes many times. In smaller games like this I have seen wolves go from 1 or 2 votes to 9 or 10 and get lynched in less than 5 minutes at eod.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT EVERYONE WHO CAN POSSIBLY BE HERE AT EOD IS HERE AND POSTING THEIR THOUGHTS EVERYDAY. That said, I have a basketball game at 7 pm on tue. so I will probably pickup my phone with 5 min left and sneak in a couple phone posts and a vote at eod.
This is also not ok. Everyone MUST give villa and wolf reads.
Why would CFD be an advocated strategy? Who benefits the most from civilians rushing to change their vote in the last minute confusion? There's no doubt that some of the time this rush might up-end a carefully set up mafia lynch wagon but the majority of the time I'd wager that this strategy hinders the civilian cause.
CDL, having made these posts, was apparently suspicious enough in Cory's eyes that he became his #1 suspect. Yet, when Cory went to vote he decided that my disagreement with DP was apparently enough to over-ride his suspicions of CDL. Gee, that sure was a convenient out he took to avoid confronting his #1 suspect.
SGJ, as I've previously stated jumped around in his posts, kept yo-yoing between suspects, and apparently dropped his suspicion on Eden (?) to join the congo-line against me when it became apparent that I had about 3-4 votes on me already. Did anyone get the plates on that bus?
Dils is also a suspect, because he apparently just ****ed around for half the thread then disappeared. If I'm being accused of not helping then I'd hate to see what his job title is.
As for civilians in my books, I'm going to be brief to get this out on time and get the discussion going.
1. Shills. I don't think at this point in time that he's mafia trying to confirm himself by sticking up for me. I think he was one of the few people to read the thread and see the altercation between Darth and myself for what it was.
2. Wombat. He's been ringing pretty town bells in my head.
3. Moocher. In light of your recent effort to really push suspects (not just myself) I am certainly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
4. J. Haven't heard from you in a while but hopefully you did read my big-ass post, as well as my subsequent responses and they've helped you with your suspicions of me.
5. MissingPerson. I know you wouldn't stick your neck out for me, nor go Miles Edgeworth mode if you weren't civilian. I appreciate the help.
