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'07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters '07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters

06-26-2020 , 11:32 AM
I didnt fake obvious seer hints in mrs jonnyd's posts. Closest things I have:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrs. jonnyd
i still don't know if i trust JDalla but this is VERY shockingly close to my view on things right now .. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!
I guess this could be interpreted as an incredibly smooth kukraprout=villa hint.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrs. jonnyd
okay .. i will freely admit that i often find people wolfy based on personality [clashes] and not game mechanics and that i am not the best judge of who's who BUT .. the person I am keying in on the most as a wolf right now is aaronk56



another one jumping on shortline with a “meh” reason .. also i thought his vote change at the last minute last night was super wolfy but i already thought he was a wolf so maybe confirmation bias



seriously everything this guy posts screams wolf to me



and another ..



seriously he’s adding nothing to the thread



and again .. voting with no explanation



luckbox jumps on immediately .. w/w maybe? or maybe aaron is just playing up the fact that everyone thinks luckbox is a wolf?

also why is no one else talking about this guy?
Or pushing aaron because she knows he's a wolf.

None of these are really convincing and I'll keep assuming she was the SK kill.

(tokyo lol event)
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06-26-2020 , 11:34 AM
Sun:

Post 1679: jdalla vs shortline is probably not w/w

Post 1691: gus is wolfy

He didn't post yesterday before page 17.

Since the closest thing he has to a peek is post 1719 ("wolfy" is a read, not a peek), Aaron is clear and

YouKnowWho

is not
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06-26-2020 , 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdcbooks
So Kukraprout is a villager. Something I was already really comfortable with. I would say we have had largely villagers posting today.
Wolves are probably in wolf chat trying to figure out if there is a way they lose, not really in the mood to make much effort. I'm giving gus village points just for posting.

(thank you for the event btw books)
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06-26-2020 , 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukraprout
Wolves are probably in wolf chat trying to figure out if there is a way they lose, not really in the mood to make much effort. I'm giving gus village points just for posting.

(thank you for the event btw books)
this
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06-26-2020 , 11:46 AM
Well I've been incredibly wrong all game.

The path forward imo is to cross-reference Shorty's wolf-list with with Shorty/Dustbox wagons and just move down that lynching people.

This is Shorty's wolf list post

Quote:
Originally Posted by biggerboat
on the other side of this is dmk, who went hard in the paint to get shortline gone. As much as this seems wolfy, it is not. He's most certainly a villager. No wolf could/would pull this off the way he did.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shortline99
i posted my wolfy list

Crackedquads
Gus
Dmk
Kruze
Coordi
One of Jdalla / atakdog
jonnyd

i'm willing to amend this list because Kruze only posts raptor GIFs and the intransigence in this thread is just super confusing

but dmk is screaming wolf to me because he knows better than to tunnel on my role after the last 2.5 games. quads hasn't redeemed himself. the comment about gus' "busywork" still rings true to me. i would add sixfour to my suspicions after his quick vote on me just now. i'm certainly not opposed to crossnerd voting but don't have a good read there.
And as a reminder the final voting

Quote:
Originally Posted by biggerboat
on the other side of this is dmk, who went hard in the paint to get shortline gone. As much as this seems wolfy, it is not. He's most certainly a villager. No wolf could/would pull this off the way he did.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VoraciousMother
Day 2: Automated Votals from #2078 to #2084

shortline99 (10): JDalla (34), dmk (43), Tokyo!! (54), wdcbooks (25), crackedquads (11), sixfour (4), riverfish1 (17), Felix the Cat (31), shortline99 (103), coordi (17)
coordi (6): aaronk56 (24), biggerboat (8), mrs. jonnyd (24), Nicholasp27 (5), jonnyd (37), Luckbox Inc (135)
Luckbox Inc (4): Sun Tzu (30), Kukraprout (53), KruZe (10), gusmahler (21)
Crossnerd (1): atakdog (4)
gusmahler (1): Crossnerd (3)
KruZe (1): YouKnowWho (17)
Not voting (1): UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in -1h57m. Hammer at 12.

Vote history:
Spoiler:
coordi (1): shortline99
Luckbox Inc (1): coordi

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Cross-referencing
Crackedquads - shorty
Gus - luckbox
Dmk - shorty
Kruze - luckbox
Coordi - shorty
One of Jdalla / atakdog - shorty/crossnerd
Jonnyd - coordi


Also - if Coordi flips wolf, that makes Coordi's wagon super pure.

Basically this should be a Coordi / DMK wagon imo.


also Kukra seems pretty cleared and I agree with Shorty that Books is pretty cleared (what does it say about me that I agreed with Shorty's reads yesterday but was still the one who broke the tie on to him).
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06-26-2020 , 11:47 AM
also - unsure why i have the same bigger board post quoted twice. I actually disagree with his conclusion there. DMK is very wolfy imo.
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06-26-2020 , 11:51 AM
Day 3: Automated Votals from #2202 to #2231

coordi (3): biggerboat (39), dmk (3), riverfish1 (2)
Crossnerd (1): YouKnowWho (6)
jonnyd (1): jonnyd (9)
wdcbooks (1): Kukraprout (32)
YouKnowWho (1): gusmahler (3)
Not voting (12): aaronk56 (8), atakdog (0), coordi (0), crackedquads (0), Crossnerd (0), Felix the Cat (0), KruZe (0), Nicholasp27 (8), sixfour (0), Tokyo!! (0), wdcbooks (9), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 9h8m. Hammer at 10.

Vote history:
Spoiler:
Kukraprout (5): gusmahler -> Kukraprout -> wdcbooks -> Tokyo!! -> wdcbooks
jonnyd (1): jonnyd
gusmahler (1): YouKnowWho
riverfish1 (1): coordi

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06-26-2020 , 11:54 AM
In order of preference from the above list I think I go

Coordi/DMK
Gus
Crackedquads
Atakdog
Sixfour


Of course re-evaluate all the time but I think Johnnyd is pretty clear if Coordi ends up wolf and Jdalla obv dead.
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06-26-2020 , 12:01 PM
The worst part about my play is that I voted Shorty expecting DMK/Crackedquads/tokyo to move off him if he was indeed a power wolf that the wolves were trying to protect. None of them did...and I somehow twisted logic to stay on shorty. I'm ****ing stupid.

Also for DMK as the second wagon. He parked on Shorty mid day yesterday and then never really returned. He posted a little bit early today but hasn't done that much. Does villa DMK really not try to take control of a village that's spiraled out of control at this point?
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06-26-2020 , 12:02 PM
Prime wolf suspects like Coordi should probably claim early if they are a pr. If they claim late they are almost certainly full of ****.

(Kukraprout)
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06-26-2020 , 12:07 PM
also on reflection - Jdalla's argument that wolves wouldn't rb him if shorty was a vill b/c he (jdalla) had shorty as the wolfiest player was bad. THat's too FPS-y. Wolf-team saw Jdalla (villager) having high probability of power role and decided to block him rather than let him use it.

I outleveled myself so many times. ****.
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06-26-2020 , 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukraprout
Prime wolf suspects like Coordi should probably claim early if they are a pr. If they claim late they are almost certainly full of ****.

(Kukraprout)
This is true.
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06-26-2020 , 12:14 PM
aaronk you've been obsessed with getting people to claim since this morning while apparently being unaware of the number of claimable roles we have. I'm not sure what to make of it.

(books)
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06-26-2020 , 12:19 PM
I am strongly inclined to recommend crossnerd as today’s vote. I see no permutation where she is villager and Luckbox and Shorty both wanted her gone.

I am not going to offer up multiple choices, but I do want to hear everyone’s thoughts. I know I have botched this, but I especially want to hear from Kukra, Nich bigger and Tokyo. I think we all absolutely have to be on the same person to have any chance.
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06-26-2020 , 12:19 PM
Atakdog is someone else I think is never a villager.
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06-26-2020 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riverfish1
In order of preference from the above list I think I go

Coordi/DMK
Gus
Crackedquads
Atakdog
Sixfour


Of course re-evaluate all the time but I think Johnnyd is pretty clear if Coordi ends up wolf and Jdalla obv dead.
im still rereading/doing some chores but this is pretty much my exact list, i'd prob put xnerd instead of sixfour but there are 7 wolves so maybe both are

i think coordi should be a wagon because i think hes a wolf but seeing as how wrong ive been all game i dont want to force someone through just to resolve things.. i think we should try to pick who we think its highest likelihood wolf at this point in the game

oh right i guess i have to vote someone every post coordi
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06-26-2020 , 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VoraciousMother
Current living players


aaronk56
atakdog
biggerboat
coordi
crackedquads
Crossnerd
dmk
Felix The Cat
gusmahler
jonnyd
Kruze
Kukraprout
Nicholas
riverfish1
Sixfour
Tokyo
Wdcbooks
YouKnowWho
I'm more confident im my villager reads than in my wolf reads so here we go:

Team village (if there are wolves in there I'm never voting them so gg)
biggerboat
Kukraprout
Nicholas
Tokyo
Wdcbooks
YouKnowWho

That leaves 12 players with hopefully 7 wolves among them:
aaronk56
atakdog
coordi
crackedquads
Crossnerd
dmk
Felix The Cat
gusmahler
jonnyd
Kruze
riverfish1
Sixfour

I'm not sure how I would rank them. I havent paid equal attention to everyone and maybe I could clear someone if I reread. Coordi and Atak would be my first wolf guesses. I could go for the crossnerd vote books suggested, just because I see no reason to clear her and dont think there will ever be. If she's a villager at endgame we lose anyway.
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06-26-2020 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdcbooks
I am strongly inclined to recommend crossnerd as today’s vote. I see no permutation where she is villager and Luckbox and Shorty both wanted her gone.

I am not going to offer up multiple choices, but I do want to hear everyone’s thoughts. I know I have botched this, but I especially want to hear from Kukra, Nich bigger and Tokyo. I think we all absolutely have to be on the same person to have any chance.
coordi should be the lynch today
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06-26-2020 , 12:45 PM
I could also do crackedquads quite happily.
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06-26-2020 , 12:56 PM
Day 3: Automated Votals from #2232 to #2244

coordi (4): biggerboat (40), dmk (3), riverfish1 (5), jonnyd (10)
Crossnerd (2): YouKnowWho (6), wdcbooks (12)
Kukraprout (1): Kukraprout (35)
YouKnowWho (1): gusmahler (3)
Not voting (11): aaronk56 (9), atakdog (0), coordi (0), crackedquads (0), Crossnerd (0), Felix the Cat (0), KruZe (0), Nicholasp27 (8), sixfour (0), Tokyo!! (0), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 8h3m. Hammer at 10.

Vote history:
Spoiler:
Kukraprout (3): Kukraprout -> wdcbooks -> Kukraprout
wdcbooks (1): Crossnerd
jonnyd (1): coordi

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06-26-2020 , 12:58 PM
There has been no case on me. Just random people saying I'm the lynch, with no reasoning.

The wolves are steamrolling the game. You can sit back and let them win today, or actually read how bad people like Tokyo and DMK look.

DMK is a wolf. Read his fake outrage yesterday and see his posting throughout the day.

Tokyo is probably a wolf. Read eod yesterday and realize that literally nothing he said made any sense.

Lynching me is a loss
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06-26-2020 , 12:59 PM
I've been on gus all game and no one gives him any mind while he makes what are legitimately the worst posts in the game
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06-26-2020 , 01:00 PM
step back and think of the two scenarios

1) coordi is a villager. Tell me who the wolf team is? I can't piece anything together if that is the case. His wagon has been sidetracked both days. Why would this ever happen if he's a villager?

2) coordi is a wolf. To me, at least, this makes things fall into place a lot easier. That lynch has v/w written all over it. It helps me put sixfour as a wolf. Look at post 2112 where I highlight his shortline waffling followed by a vote. Cracked quads right behind imo.

if sixfour and coordi are wolves, it makes gus look so much better. Coordi would be an easy mislynch to push for the wolves. Gus is the same. But, coordi has been on the chopping block and gus really hasn't so much, except by coordi and sixfour.

I dunno, this is the only way I can make things work in my brain. I just can't make it work in a world where coordi is village.
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06-26-2020 , 01:05 PM
DMK, bigger, tokyo, cross, gus, kruze, 64

I'd have to look at voting.

As hard as you are pushing, you could smell bloood in the water and this is excited wolf bigger
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06-26-2020 , 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VoraciousMother
Day 2: Automated Votals from #2078 to #2084

shortline99 (10): JDalla (34), dmk (43), Tokyo!! (54), wdcbooks (25), crackedquads (11), sixfour (4), riverfish1 (17), Felix the Cat (31), shortline99 (103), coordi (17)
coordi (6): aaronk56 (24), biggerboat (8), mrs. jonnyd (24), Nicholasp27 (5), jonnyd (37), Luckbox Inc (135)
Luckbox Inc (4): Sun Tzu (30), Kukraprout (53), KruZe (10), gusmahler (21)
Crossnerd (1): atakdog (4)
gusmahler (1): Crossnerd (3)
KruZe (1): YouKnowWho (17)
Not voting (1): UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in -1h57m. Hammer at 12.

Vote history:
Spoiler:
coordi (1): shortline99
Luckbox Inc (1): coordi

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kinda skimmed today's stuff. biggerboat and nichp analysis is correct.

based on what we know, it seems likely to me that the wolves dropped a few on shorty (at least 2, but likely 3), then spread the rest out. I bet several of the wolves werent even on top wagons. The gus push in particular was rather strange and i'd expect some of the other wolves there, though it could have been w/w.

Felix's vote on shorty to not rand() is kind of bizarre. It's one of those level 0 plays you make as a wolf, and he seems like a thinking player, so I think he'd know enough to not do it as a wolf.

The coordi wagon ended on aaronk56 (i'm trusting as a villa), biggerboat (i'm trusting as a villa), mrs. jonnyd (dead villa), Nicholasp27 (i'm trusting as a villa, but not as much as aaronk/BB), jonnyd (i do not trust), Luckbox Inc (dead villa).

Given that, it seems we have to go coordi today because he has been zero help, dropped the wolf tells of snap dropping in when named ITT, and several dead villas on his wagon. I'm not sure how we justify someone else.

After that, my best guess is the group of wolves is riverfish, crackedquads, kruze, then some of atakdog/dmk/crossnerd/jonny/64. I would lean the first three in that order if anything.
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