Your welcome, clearly it was very important to me to get it right

playing 16s for a living is a joke... i played those to build my roll but it is so unprofitable there... its consistent money but you are making like 25 bucks an hour 20 tabling...

you need to start playing cash game, or switch to tourneys (16$ 9 mans translate well to 12/180s)

I know how you feel, but if you play anything over a huge sample especially SnGs the ****s gonna hit the fan hard at some point. I don't see why you're quite so mad when you're making over 1k a month though + whatever you get from supernova though. Gl and move up for ffs, you're quite solid!

I do admit I haven't been playing my best. There's no doubt about that. At the same time , a 5k game sample of abnormally bad luck is extremely frustrating to deal with and there's no doubt I've let myself fall into a mode where I'm feeling victimized which is counter productive. That said , I challenge anyone here to run bad for 5k tournaments and not let it affect them.

I have let these periods affect my volume , limiting my potential profits even further. Despite my thread title it is more my precarious financial position rather than the stars rng that could potentially cause me trouble.

With staking options being available it seems getting a job is something I won't need to do.

Didn't expect much sympathy from BBV but at the same time i'm sure some
9man grinders could understand how multiple 1k+ b/e stretches within such a short time span is tough to accept.

Don't know if there's much more to say. Sorry if I offended those 5nl grinders living w/ their parents with my complaining of 1200$/month profits. It doesn't even cover rent and food for me. Everything's relative.

Still not supernova yet Tomo, should hit it in December so not getting too much from fpp's , and I'm paying too much rent here. Looking for a cheaper quieter apt. so that should help. 1200$/month = borrow 600$ from someone just to stay afloat per month.

Fact is you shouldn't be playing poker if you aren't prepared to accept that you can run extremely bad for extremely long periods of time. Hence the reason you shouldn't be trying to play pro on a tiny bankroll and tiny life roll. No idea about sngs, but for cash you'd need 1M+ hands to get anywhere near the "long run" where you can be somewhat confident you have run within a few % points of "overall EV".

As for "OP has made $1300 he shouldn't be whining" comments - $1300 is an extremely small amount of money, especially considering the hours OP must put in to get that number of games, and just because you are horrible at poker doesn't mean that good players (not saying OP is one at all since i have no idea) can't win alot of money and still be getting extremely unlikely. Running bad is simply negative deviation from one's winrate - if your starting winrate or edge is very high then you could still win and be running far below expectation. In the same way, breaking even for a fish probably means they are running super hot.

Can't argue with this at all.

In my defense concerning sample , I sustained a 10% roi up till a 14000 game sample at the 16's which even most sng grinders would agree is a fairly large sample.

You are thinking the wrong way and think in too short terms. Its all about making plus EV decisions. Or perhaps this helps: All is variance, if your Aces hold against Kings, you win 100% where you only entilted to win 80%.

And if there were no suckouts, the fish wouldnt play anymore and think they could win.

I used to play $16 turbo SnG's as a hobby about a year ago. I actually remember playing with you(at least I think it was you, if you had the same pic as your stars pic). I had only been playing poker for about a month and I wasn't very good. I broke even for a few thousand. I didn't really care because at the time I was only doing it for fun. But after a while it wasn't fun anymore. SnG's are mind-numbing, soul-crushing things. I got frustrated with the whole icm, push/fold game and switched to cash.

It was the best decision I have ever made. It changed my life. I started at 25nl FR. The adjustment wasn't easy, going from SnG to actually playing every street and facing a much wider variety of tough spots.

After about 250k hands I had adapted and I made the same in one month playing a 2-3 hours a day at a mediocre winrate as I made at my full time job(about $1500). 50kish hands of 50nl at about the same winrate as 25nl and I moved up to 100nl. I had 2 months where I made 3x as much as my job so I quit, played one more month of 100nl and moved up to 200nl.

Now as a supernova, if I am simply being dealt in on 24 200nl FR tables(I usually only play around 10-12 tho) I get ~$40-50/hour in FPP's alone. I mean LOL donkaments. I guess what I'm trying to say is quit that SnG BS, switch to cash and never look back. Its a tough spot you are in however because you are relying on your profits for living expenses so its hard to just start something new when you are already good at what you are doing. If you ever get tired of scraping by, get a job(temporarily) for the cushion and use your SnG skills to fund your cash game experiment. Anyways good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Three of your worst months of being a pro, you were still making a profit and you might have to quit poker? I assume usually you make more than $1300? This just shows me that you were not to clever with your money. Why do you not have like 5k in reserve for exactly this time? God forbid you ever had a losing month.

Meaby the real problem isn't the breakeven stretch, but your lifestyle.

standard

You freely admit that you haven't been playing your best for large portions of the last few months, and yet you are surprised that your ROI is less than you're capable of?

Seems to me that once you can get out of this funk and start playing your A-game 100%, the 'luck' will take care of itself and your graph will go where you want it to.

If you want my advice (disclosure: I suck at poker), I'd find someone to spot you enough cash to get out of your apartment for a week or two, go clear your mind somewhere far, far away from Pokerstars (and preferably computers period), and then come back ready and willing to crush the $16's like you're capable of.

HANDS THE **** DOWN.

God I hate the STT community so much.

You should give poker a try, OP

I bet if he kept stats on how often he lost all ins to bigger stacks calling with underdogs he would be losing over 50%.

PokerStars Game #34890886278: Tournament #208676927, 10FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2009/11/03 20:00:43 ET
Table '208676927 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: candpa (34186 in chips)
Seat 2: Target_10067 (17190 in chips)
Seat 3: j_thingy (3242 in chips)
Seat 4: royoboy (29462 in chips)
Seat 6: filou69 (13318 in chips)
Seat 8: ducksie10 (4095 in chips)
Seat 9: Skokky (13402 in chips)
candpa: posts the ante 75
Target_10067: posts the ante 75
j_thingy: posts the ante 75
royoboy: posts the ante 75
filou69: posts the ante 75
ducksie10: posts the ante 75
Skokky: posts the ante 75
candpa: posts small blind 400
Target_10067: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Skokky [Ah Ac]
j_thingy: folds
royoboy: folds
filou69: raises 2400 to 3200
ducksie10: folds
Skokky: calls 3200
candpa: raises 30911 to 34111 and is all-in
Target_10067: folds
filou69: calls 10043 and is all-in
Skokky: calls 10127 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (20784) returned to candpa
*** FLOP *** [4c 6s Kd]
*** TURN *** [4c 6s Kd] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [4c 6s Kd Jc] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
candpa: shows [Kc Jh] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
Skokky: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
candpa collected 168 from side pot
filou69: shows [Ad 6d] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
candpa collected 41054 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 41222 Main pot 41054. Side pot 168. | Rake 0
Board [4c 6s Kd Jc Jd]
Seat 1: candpa (small blind) showed [Kc Jh] and won (41222) with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
Seat 2: Target_10067 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: j_thingy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: royoboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: filou69 showed [Ad 6d] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 8: ducksie10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Skokky (button) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks

How's that misanthropy working out for you up there in that ivory tower?

ya except it's kinda hard to fake your way through that first graph.

God, it's so ******ed that "you play sngs, play a real form of poker, blah blah blah" etc. I'd play professional badugi if it meant I'd make money. Who cares what game it is as long as you play. I can see it now. All those SNE rich sng ballas with there nice shi t. Oh, wait, it wasn't from cash games though. Ya, I guess fancy cars and 1/4 mil in bonuses a yr. doesn't count b/c it came from a different game.

Yeah I agree, like why would anyone really give a **** what way ya make money off poker. I just don't get it.

lol @ some of the comments in this thread.

+1

Cash grinders are not better than sng grinders, and vice versa. We all play poker to make money, thats the bottom line, some just choose to do what they want/know better.

lol horrible level

I think he was referring to the possibility that variance is lower in cash games, and that OP could probably make more money/hr playing something like 50NL than he does 24 tabling 16's (or however many tables you play). Just a guess.

+1

Mayuri you're right bro, stars rng is complete effing tardy gheyness. It does randomise over a long long looooooooooong haul but short term stuff borders on the almost mathematically impossible! Altho I've had a few small leaks, all been plugged, and have the odd raging tiltyness (tho very VERY controlled all the same, I mean tilt as in I angrily ship QJs with 9bbs from the h/j which I mean isn't even that bad), I have been in a similar boat and have run like utter crap for months on end. The last 2 months have been my best ever and it's defo been down to actually running ok...SOME OF THE TIME! You do indeed need 200 buy ins for sure to be a bit more comfortable with bad runs, I'm in the $27s now with $6k I won't touch the $38s! (Well I played 4 the other day and lost the lot, so a failed shot = runaway). Grind through it dude but if you can afford to try to get your roll upto 200 buy ins before taking a wage. And yes, run goots or bads or okays can last 5k+ effing games imo!

GL