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07-13-2016 , 11:17 AM
Can you keep it powered down except when you need internet and continue to use your personal phone for calls?
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07-13-2016 , 11:38 AM
Airplane mode ldo
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07-13-2016 , 02:16 PM
Yeah, carry their phone and your phone. Use their phone for work and turn it off when you don't want to work. Assuming you're not management or on call 24/7...
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07-13-2016 , 04:18 PM
another million dollar idea that anyone can take so long as I get 2% and credit for the idea:

wireless chargers by ignition switches (or in them?) that power rechargeable key fobs

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07-13-2016 , 05:01 PM
Man that'll be so handy. It'll keep me from changing key fob batteries once every 10 years
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07-13-2016 , 07:10 PM
Well, not all companies will need it. But my wife's Nissan fob battery dies a couple times a year. It's nuts.
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07-14-2016 , 12:46 PM
Seems like the less overengineered solution would be for Nissan to take a look at literally every other car manufacturer's key fob and do that
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07-14-2016 , 01:03 PM
also less awesome
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07-14-2016 , 01:42 PM
I bought my car like 9 years ago and the key fob never went dead. I think they said it charges itself somehow when in the car. But I could be wrong about that. The backup one that I don't use went dead. So maybe.
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07-14-2016 , 01:46 PM
Mines keyless for evthing so i dont see how it can charge, but its almost to the 2 year mark
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07-14-2016 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Just got off the phone with the startup dev manager/architect. That could not have gone better. He really liked my open source stuff and actually got it. He said they know they may need to scale to dozens of devs at some point and need frameworks like what we came up with to solve the same problem. So even though that thing hasn't taken off, it probably landed me my current job (or helped) and it really helped me with this startup thing.

Sounds like I will be their subject matter expert on node. They're working with docker and react - which I want to learn.

I told them $100/hr and they didn't flinch. I probably should have asked for $110. But it's not like I ever bill my actual hours anyway. If I spend 8 hours beating my head against the wall trying to get some docker container to deploy because I have no idea what I'm doing - I'll probably only bill 1 hour. So it's pretty amorphous.
So the founder finally got back to me this morning. I thought after 1 day he was trying to play hard to get to negotiate. But after 3 days I figured they were just blowing me off. Anyway here's his reply:

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Hi suzzer, [weird that he calls me that right?]

Sorry for the delay – I’ve been travelling this week and didn’t get a chance to sync up with [lead dev guy] until last night. We’re really interested in having you on the team, but your rate is a bit above our budget. Is there any flexibility there? So there’s full transparency, our cash budget is really around $60-65/hr.

It’s some interesting work and both [lead dev guy] and I think you’d be a great fit otherwise!

Cheers
Hmmm so ultra-well-funded startup expects a seasoned lead dev/architect proficient in node for $65/hour.

So here is the reply I have drafted up. I'm waiting a day to send it. Thoughts appreciated, even Mikhel

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Hi xxx, thanks for getting back to me. Yes there is some flexibily.

First, I have a few thoughts:

1. The job [lead dev] described sounds to me like an architect/framework developer, tasked with creating a solid foundation for the product to scale out - performance-wise, development-wise, etc. Maybe I'm a bit jaded by corporate rates, but it's hard for me to see you finding someone who can do an A+ job at that for $65/hour.

2. Having said that, I want to become proficient in docker and DevOps in general - in an industrial-grade production setting. Also as mentioned I'm a little bored right now, although work is picking up a tick. So I'm willing to give a discount, which I already was to some degree. $110-$125 is my standard rate. [*cough* bull**** *cough*]

3. One thing to consider - if I spend all day fighting with something like docker or react because I don't know enough yet - I'm not going to charge you 8 hours for that. With node I consider myself a subject matter expert - so anything I have to learn would be part of normal development. But for areas where I'm not a SME, I'm not going to charge full hours for learning time.

4. I'm a big fan of bidding by the job whenever it makes sense. For a startup still building out most of your systems and architecture, that doesn't seem to fit the role. However on well-defined jobs, I'm perfectly fine with saying something to [lead dev] like "I think this will take 5 hours", and then sticking to that barring major unforseen circumstances.

So having digested those thoughts, is $85/hr doable for you?
My hope is that he comes back with $80 or $75. If I offer $80 I feel like he'll come back with something lower.

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07-14-2016 , 01:53 PM
My key fob died a couple years ago. Now I just unlock my door(s) by turning key, like a savage.
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07-14-2016 , 01:58 PM
You monster.

Probably why the Nissan key dies more frequently is because it's used for more than door and trunk unlocks.

Every time I start my car by putting a key in the ignition and turning it I feel like I should be turning a crank or something. Her car doesn't need no disgusting, dirty key handled at any point.
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07-14-2016 , 02:04 PM
suzzer don't work for these people. With those rates they're clearly not serious about it and would probably be a nightmare to work for. Blow them off and do docker or whatever on your own.
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07-14-2016 , 02:10 PM
Yeah I'm trying to do that now, but it's kind of hard to get motivated to get over the super-confusing parts when nobody but me cares if I do it or not. I'm just not good at that. But maybe I need to learn to be.

I've got a docker book but when I don't even understand the description for what most of the flags do - I realize I have a long long way to go.

Even for $65/hour if I learn something and quit after a few months it will probably be good for my career.
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07-14-2016 , 02:13 PM
In high school I almost bought a '68 Camaro convertible for $1200 (this was '86 or so - it needed work but ran pretty well). I offered $1100, but he refused to budge off $1200. I said no and walked away. I've regretted it ever since. I even called him a week later and he had already sold it. That car would have been so fun to drive my senior year.
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07-14-2016 , 02:39 PM
Several co-workers that have done some contract work have all stated they wouldn't even consider doing contract work for less than $100/hr.
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07-14-2016 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
Several co-workers that have done some contract work have all stated they wouldn't even consider doing contract work for less than $100/hr.
The only way I'll work for less than $100/hour is if I'm on some kind of retainer. I had a deal recently for $75/hour, but a guaranteed minimum of 5 hours/week. (Obviously, most weeks were 0-1 hours, otherwise this is not that great for me). I liked that deal a lot.
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07-14-2016 , 03:14 PM
I wouldn't do it suzzer FWIW. A rate of $80 an hour in CA is still too low. I think $100 is too low actually in CA. You have contracted before IIRC so you know all the negatives of being a contractor. This week I have been just inundated with calls and emails from recruiters. I would say about 95% are contracting jobs. I just tell them I am not interested in contracting work hopefully sending a message that lowball offers won't ever be considered and that I require a stronger commitment than what companies are willing to give contractors. Getting another call as I write LOL. I have read that in economic upturns companies start trying to add more staff quickly via contracting and eventually will turn to hiring directs when they can't find enough contractors. I think things are picking up economically.

Hold out for being a direct getting a decent bump in pay and an equity stake.
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07-14-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks
The only way I'll work for less than $100/hour is if I'm on some kind of retainer. I had a deal recently for $75/hour, but a guaranteed minimum of 5 hours/week. (Obviously, most weeks were 0-1 hours, otherwise this is not that great for me). I liked that deal a lot.
Something like this would be good.
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07-14-2016 , 04:04 PM
I think the rates are about right for an early stage start up spend their own money. If it were contract work for an agency, consultancy, etc., who is billing their client $200+/hr, or a unicorn start up, it should be more.
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07-14-2016 , 08:19 PM
Wow, if everyone knew the rate I contracted at...

After I was done, I was given some advice about contracting again. Just lawyer the **** up before signing any documents again. It's obvious from your email response that you aren't planning to get legal counseling.
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07-14-2016 , 08:52 PM
Suzzer, I don't remember if you said this was remote or not? If they are willing to go with a remote contractor, you're having to compete with every jerk in the world on rate unless they have some inside info that your abilities. That's tough.
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07-14-2016 , 08:54 PM
Well they liked my node framework a lot. The lead dev I talked to said the subset of people the CEO liked and passed on, and then he got excited about, was very small. He said it in a way that clearly meant I had passed both tests.
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07-14-2016 , 10:44 PM
Suzzer,

What I said at the time still seems relevant:

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Suzzer,

If you really want to learn Docker and are trying to get better at finding side gigs I wouldn't be so concerned with the hourly rate just yet.

Even if they can only afford 75/hr it would be good to get started with them and then look to replace them with a better paying side gig eventually.

Your position is more of networking and finding out some of the first hand things that contracting on the side will expose you to the first time around that you can learn from.

My point is I wouldn't right now nit it up about maximizing your hourly rate, the best contractors have been doing it for a while and usually can just say "$X is my rate" and if not they have plenty of other opps. I would focus on striving for that eventually but not right now.
I think given your position you could offer to work for $75/hr and **** all of that "if I spend 8 hours ****ing stuff up in Docker I will bill for 1" talk.

Bill the hours you work regardless of how "efficient" you find them to be. If you can't open a file they are sending you for 1 hour, then tough ****, that's how it goes.

If the hourly rate is really a sticking point then wait for a better one, but its always easier to find a gig when you have one, etc.

There is also no reason to question their funding (www.crunchbase.com) look up how much they have raised, how many employees they have, and a rough guess of clients/revenue. Should be very simple to make an educated guess about their financials.
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