Why did you single out "mj fans" when it's an argument clearly used a lot by LeBron fans as well.

Cause literally other than you the list of posters like wooderson, Montreal, trollstoy, the kid who always gets banned and chances names, Dan, shimmy, LFC are the biggest trolls on this board.

They're trolling you because it's such a ridiculous notion to even compare LBJ to MJ. Anyone who watched both play know who the GOAT is. It's not close and it never will be.

Another great troll. How about Dunn? He better than Jimmy still?

I never said that and now since that trade is looking worse and worse for the WILVES, I guess all you can resort to is making stuff up.

Thibs is a joke and they had a good thing going before he ruined it all.

its not really about comparing the supporting casts or even rating them in a vacuum.

its about how the supporting casts rate relative their competition at the time. Jordans mates were able to win 55 games and go deep in the playoffs and were an outside contender.

lebrons mates are not making the playoffs.

the league is just way tougher now.

def agree with this.

How is it looking worse?

Lauri is alright, Dunn is trash, but I’ll give you he’s much better his second year than first but it’s only because his first was so awful,and Zach struggled with his shot when he returned in limited minutes. Conversely, butler was an mvp candidate before he got hurt. In the two years before thibs they won 45 games in two seasons, last year they won 47. While I agree thibs isn’t the best, I’m not sure how he ruined anything in Minnesota.

Bulls have one building block piece in lauri that has a lot of work to do to become great.

I don't think you do.

Pretty sure you left the answer open ended. we all know who victor’s GOAT is.

Didn't LeBron join the 2nd and 3rd best player in the league by PER?

Anyway, Miami went from 66 wins to 54 wins in LeBron's last two season. So, projecting if LeBron stays, they win maybe 45-50 games (aging roster) the next season?

They won 37 games despite Bosh missing half the season. Wade plays about the same number of games. They probably win low 40s if Bosh plays a similar number of games in that season.

3-8 losses change seems equivalent to MJs Bulls.

Technically Bosh was 4th (Wade was 2nd and Durant was 3rd). With that being said, Duncan, KG, Howard, Cp3 and a few others might have been considered better players than Bosh when they joined up. But yeah the Heat top 3 was pretty damn nice especially when healthy. The Health of Wade and, obviously knowing what we know now, Bosh was the downfall of the team long term.

Love was 3rd in PER when he joined up with Lebron and for some reason, like Bosh, became third banana. I don't think many would consider Love at the time better than ADavis, CP3, Curry and maybe a few others but still a great addition. Kyrie was ~25th in PER when they joined up so a little less great as Wade but still very good and still very young. Again, health and then the trade has a lot to do with why the Cavs haven't been good/great for longer. Also GSW and Durant haven't helped in the matter.

Lebron the last 2 formations has had really good squads, but they haven't lasted as long as they should have. I think with Kyrie it's Lebron fault, with Wade, Love, they're just injury prone and Bosh had some weird disease that has now made him injury prone.

1-3 these teams have been insanely stacked. After that they've been quite good but not as good as other great teams. Coaching has been lacking as well for Lebron be it Brown or Lue. I like Spols alot but he's not on the order of Pop or Phil but quite good for this era.

When LeBron joined up with Love, I would have thought Love would have been higher rated than Curry. Steph was a 1 time All star at the time (vs 3 time).

Obviously hindsight makes that assessment lol

ya I will take the guy who is much bigger while nearly as explosive and who passes like a pg and shoots better from 3. also the guy who was forced to beat defenses designed to stop him with all 5 guys rather than the one who was able to play 1v1 all game.

its really not close when you watch them play, you are right about that.

Jameer Nelson and Rashard Lewis are >>>Stockton and Malone, but Mo Williams and Ilgauskas def were historic scrubs.

lol @ Wade-Bosh or Kyrie-Love not making the playoffs in the east.

Yeah it's funny. Love is obviously not built as well for being on a super team like Curry is. Curry was 6th in the MVP voting Love's last year in Minnesota--Love was 11th. Curry was on the up swing in 2013-2014 but yeah you could definitely argue Love could be seen as more valuable than Curry at the time. They were both all-stars, both 2nd team all-nba that year (Love had been all nba 2nd team 2 seasons before as well).

lol at love vs curry. everyone preferred klay when that trade was floated. not even close to curry.

Going from 3-Peat dynasty and being considered one of the greatest teams of all-time -- to a second round exit is, apparently, a small drop-off ... cuz their regular season records were similar.

2018 Warriors won 58 games this year ... 2+2 analysis? Yup, basically the same as 55 win Jordan-less Bulls.

Mo Williams wasn't a historic scrub but he's like IT who you hate on all the time, limited in the playoffs. His stats drop considerably in the playoffs. Ilgauskas wasn't nearly the player he was at that point of his career and that series. After Lebron left and then Mo moved on, Mo wasn't a bad player he was just a journeyman player and never considered "all-star" caliber again. Some how the Cavs won 66 games so of course they're going to get a 2nd all-star that season.

Like I'm not sure how Lebron could have played much better in this series or in the playoffs in general:

https://www.basketball-reference.com...cavaliers.html

Reasonable assessment.

lol assessment with nothing backing it up.

iirc I think the general consensus was that most people thought the Warriors should have made the trade. As a Warriors fan I thought they should have done it. I was wrong.

Love was going for cents in the dollar as he didn't want to stay where he was.

Curry's career looks much different on a LeBron team. You honestly think he's going to get to launch 800 3's a year while standing in the corner waiting for LeBron to pass to him?

I didn’t realize wade and kyrie didn’t try to create for themselves and go ISO at times. Love can’t create well for himself, maybe he did more of that in Minnesota, but not for Cleveland. He doesn’t do a good job at that when lebron is off the floor is one thing I’ve witnessed.

love has been hated on by tz for a long time and esp back then he was reviled for his stat hogging. and likely in backlash to the 3 guys who trololololed about kevin love mvp for a couple weeks years ago.

but hey, I could be misremembering.