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Talent that has proven it doesn't actually win games. That can't just be overlooked.

I don't get the talent fallback. Yes talent matters, but it's not the only thing you can use to compare teams.

In that world ManU shouldn't have had the fall off from last season to this season.

In that world Portugal's golden generation actually wins something more than Cruizn-level accomplishments and they don't have to squeak by Norway on GD to qualify for Euro 2012.

Well, they ran really bad in 2010 to draw Brazil and Portugal. They drew with Portugal and destroyed North Korea. Then they came in 2nd in the 2012 Africa Cup of Nations. I'm not sure that's any proof that they can't win games on an International level. They don't play that many games. That's a fair knock on them, but lol at proof that they can't win.

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10-21-2013 , 01:16 PM

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There is no way you think concacaf is the weakest or even 2nd weakest region. NO WAY. We are the 3rd strongest region, IMO.

Oceania: You interested in an even money bet w/ concacaf's 5th placed team vs oceania's #1 team?

Asia & africa: I would take concacaf's top 3 over asia or africa's top 3, our top 5 of their top 5, or our top 10 vs their top 10.

Agree w/ this.

It's CONMEBOL and UEFA, large gap, CONCACAF, CAF, then AFC, then large gap, OFC

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10-21-2013 , 01:16 PM

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Historically that's true, but now the players are all over the place and the squad has lots of turnover between matches.

Doesn't matter, really. Every national team has turnover, we play a ton, core players stick around forever, retiring from national team duty never really been an issue. We've always had players all over the place.

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I'm mostly lolafrica but IC has yaya drogba and gervinho. They're much better than us due to talent. Nigeria is close.

as come on brotha mentions, this is not the way to evaluate national teams.

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10-21-2013 , 01:16 PM

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wrong IMO, take good teams with great players, but that completely suck and embarrass themselves, like serbia, IC, Peru, poland etc. they have much better players but always struggle to win and show a lousy football.

on the other hand you have teams like sweden, denmark, switzerland, Japan, US, that have average players and always show decent football and put op a fight against top teams.

well Sweden has a top 2 striker in the world who has been top 1 for the decade

denmark and switzerland both have much more quality talent than the usa

japan is the best comparison because they always run like a well-oiled machine in all sports

but the USA team doesn't have that type of chemistry anyway

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10-21-2013 , 01:16 PM

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Man bobbo gets the haters mad

He's putting up money to back his position while euros sit there crying about blah blah blah us isn't top 30 somehow blah Gerrard blah blah u17 results

The guy can say whatever he wants about the us until he's proven wrong

Euros warming up for the WC by bringing the WIL early

This man gets it

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10-21-2013 , 01:18 PM

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Get. The. ****. Out.

Ivory Coast has made 2 world cups. They've never advanced out of the group stage.

They lost to Zambia and AC. They've failed to even qualify for the tournament within the last 10 years.

I don't care who their players are, they clearly do not have the results and they've proven that for their entirety.

He's just a troll. He's using the metric of: Locate best player, rank nation according to that player.

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10-21-2013 , 01:19 PM

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And who was that international power they lost to? Zambia

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10-21-2013 , 01:19 PM

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They went 3-0 (+5) vs. a group of Sudan, Angola, and Burkina Faso, beat Equatorial Guinea 3-0 in the QFs, beat Mali 1-0 in the SFs, and drew (lost on PKs) vs. Zambia. I watched most of those games. They were not impressive.

You just don't really get that converting talent into team-level effectiveness is not a given in international soccer the way it is in the NBA.

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10-21-2013 , 01:19 PM

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So the better way is to sort by how many times we beat guatemala and antigua?

Is there no way that maybe the variance of a few international games per decade maybe doesn't mean that the teams with the best players aren't probably also the best teams???

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10-21-2013 , 01:22 PM

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best way is obviously to use some combination of results, eye-test, and non-******ed player evaluation

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10-21-2013 , 01:25 PM

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best way is obviously to use some combination of results, eye-test, and non-******ed player evaluation

agreed

usa fails eye test miserably for me because their goal creation skills are hugely lol compared to other topish teams...their player evaluation is also weak because they have a decent amount of bad mls players

again, im not saying to sort by fifa 14 ps3 ratings

but theres nothing to suggest that the usa is going to be more greater than the sum of their parts than any european team

so with all that being mostly equal, i'll take the teams with the better players pretty comfortably

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10-21-2013 , 01:38 PM

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English players smoke cigarrettes tho

In all seriousness though maybe this is a misperception but I always felt like the U.S., Japan and South Korea had a fitness edge that allowed them to somewhat outperform their talent

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10-21-2013 , 01:43 PM

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You want to know how I did it? This is how I did it, Anton: I never saved anything for the swim back.

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10-21-2013 , 01:49 PM

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tut getting pussy-whipped into being a fan of the national chilean team is pretty amazing, pretty beta, and pretty anti-american.

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10-21-2013 , 01:54 PM

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You want to know how I did it? This is how I did it, Anton: I never saved anything for the swim back.

Great movie

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10-21-2013 , 01:56 PM

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This thread is great. Can't wait for the draw.

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10-21-2013 , 02:00 PM

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tut getting pussy-whipped into being a fan of the national chilean team is pretty amazing, pretty beta, and pretty anti-american.

Nothing beta about watching a team that plays a beautiful style of football, scores tons of goals, and can beat teams other than Jamaica, lolmexico, and Barbados.

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This thread is great. Can't wait for the draw.

Thread is probably the best it's going to get, because once the draw comes out it'll just turn into the usa slappys getting all butthurt and crying how unfair it is that they weren't in pot 1 despite beating 0 relevant teams in competitive play, pretty much ever.

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10-21-2013 , 02:04 PM

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Seems like someone's forgetting that the US fought back to beat a game Panama.

In Panama.

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10-21-2013 , 02:05 PM

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I only started mentioning the players and their relative standing because upto then the "Our player play in europe dont you know" was actually the main line of USA USA #1 itt. Now that delusion has been put to bed, its all WIM WIM WIM USA#1

(Ok USA#12 just to appease the nits).

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10-21-2013 , 02:09 PM

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I think the USA-better-than-sum-of-parts argument would make more sense if they ever demonstrated the ability to use link-up or combination play with the slightest amount of facility. They do seem to outperform their talent though.

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10-21-2013 , 02:10 PM

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no, it's because you massively suck

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10-21-2013 , 02:14 PM

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Agreed. I was struggling to find a way to say this. Nice job. They're American so they obviously do have tons of WIM. Just not enough.

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10-21-2013 , 02:16 PM

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there's a lot of US HATAZ in the us thread

probably mad there isn't an individual thread for their ****ty teams

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10-21-2013 , 02:16 PM

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I mean I would love to "sort by summative transfer value, rank national teams accordingly" but then we'd end up with all kinds of silly results like Wales being a top team and I'd be thrilled to see those consonant-loving jokers in our WC group one day.

Um have you looked at the Wales squad, probably not,they are clearly not a top team based on roster analysis.

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10-21-2013 , 02:21 PM

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there's a lot of US HATAZ in the us thread

probably mad there isn't an individual thread for their ****ty teams

I'm definitely rooting for the US to run hot and make noise in the WC. I can't even imagine what the world would do if they won it all. Probably try to oust us from the UNSC. Or close EuroDisney at least.

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