Seattle's big men, particularly Mebane, are effective pass rushers, too. Even if the sack numbers aren't there, the disruption and hurries are. The guy who wrote that article was pretty dismissive of Mebane as a run stuffer only, when the very statistics he was using in his article showed Mebane as the 3rd best pass rusher on the team behind Bennett and Avril. McDonald grades just behind Mebane on pass rush skills.

Also, it's not exactly charitable to characterize the Seahawks DL as having two modes: NASCAR and Beef. Most players can play every position on the DL, and there are a lot more combinations than just 2. For example, here's a breakdown of defense in the NFCCG. It's hard to see in some of these, but in the TD pass to Boldin, the 9ers line up in a 2 TE set, and the Seahawks line up Clemons, McDonald, Mebane, and Bennett (now at DE instead of an interior pass rusher), a combination not discussed by the author of that article. They nearly got home but for a truly phenomenal play by Kaep. There are other speed rush combinations of pure pass rushers, too, such as Clemons, Irvin, Bennett, Avril, as seen on the strip sack.

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He's referring to their big lineup of Clemens, Bryant, Mebane, McDaniel, which rate at a 1.4, -3.8, 10.9, -2.0. Mebane is an obvious stud, but as a unit they are not good pass rushers. Also Mebane's natural position of ldt will put him up against Vasquez who rated +19 against the pass rush.

It's a moot point because I doubt we see much of the big lineup that Seattle employed against slower teams. My guess is that we'll see a hybrid, which Carroll has employed in the past, for most of the downs. I think the key here is that Seattle will theoretically have a harder time with substitution, which hasn't been an issue in the past.

I mean, if Fox wants to line up for a down with 3 TEs, Moreno, and DT to bait the heavies onto the field and then never substitute while getting pass happy, Carroll will probably take that all day. It means that two of the Broncos' best weapons aren't on the field for pass plays.

That won't happen, but what we might see is their NASCAR or hybrid formation being stuck on the field without the ability to substitute. Having your defensive lineman play more than the 50% of the snaps they are accustomed to is something they'll obviously be ready for, but it's not necessarily optimal for them or they'd have gone that route the entire season. It's a big reason why KC/BAL/HOU, despite all being top 5 in the league in Pressures according to PFF, wasn't able to get any pressure on Peyton--it's hard to sustain a pass rush when you can't substitute and the QB you're going after keeps getting rid of the ball right after it's snapped.

I think the only time I've seen him flustered all year was against a dominant speed rusher on the right side, in this case Mathis. Clark has rated well, but he really struggled with the likely DPOY, and I was fearful that he'd be up against Aldon Smith in the SB.

It'll be interesting to see how the pass rush looks on Sunday. Perhaps this is all just speculation and Peyton gets hit 50 times.

So the guys who don't play in pass rush situations don't have good pass rush numbers? Do tell?

I don't know enough about how these metrics work, but I have to assume the way Seattle uses it's massive pile of great lineman so situationally has to make them slightly screwy?

Here is what I do know: IF, Seattle D-Line, THEN, terrifying monster who will haunt Peyton's dreams and maybe also make Knowshon remember some of his favorite anthems and then cry a little. Also the linebackers and really ****ing fast and will eat your baby.

this thread completely blows away the championship game threads in terms of quality.

It's completely fallacious to assume that the only way to keep the DL at their typical snap totals is to substitute between plays.

The numbers are based on pressures per passing snap, so the fact that they don't play a lot of pass rush situations isn't much of a factor.

But that's not even the issue I see, it's the (theoretical) lack of substitutions for a team who does it quite frequently.

So your advocating that they substitute lines during each series? Once again that isn't something I think Carroll has done in the past.

I don't think it's the number of snaps a DLineman is used to more than the number of snaps in succession, without rest, against a QB who rushes you to the line and then plays mind games to try and get you out of your shell.

Seattle is awesome and will no doubt be ready for this, but it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

A lot of that has to do with opponents. The 9ers and Saints, e.g., love to substitute en masse. The Saints in particular will substitute 4-5 eligible receivers on consecutive downs, so the Seahawks will respond in kind. It's not a foreign concept that if the opponent isn't substituting, neither is the defense.

Yes and this played right into Seattle's strengths because they also like to substitute. So a lot of NO/SF's offensive strengths were also Seattle's. Denver's strength is something Seattle hasn't had to deal with this season, and whether or not it works out for them will be an interesting storyline.

seahawks fans were prob just sucked in by "the rivalry". same with SRM, who is generally a good poster when not posting about 9ers/seahawks stuff. bronco/pats fans prob sucked in by the manning/brady stuff.

there's not a lot of that stuff in this game. chim's a good poster, shark sandwich is a good poster. seahawks are a pretty likable blue collar team, GOAT is a likable superstar. carroll seems like a pretty sweet guy who enjoys his share of CHEATING and 19 year old girls while firefox only leaves the broom closet twice a week- once to appease the media and once to get heart medication that elway may or may not be sabotaging.

so basically, it's all gravy. might seem like a hedging attitude so don't get me wrong, i really want to ****ing win this game, but there are worse teams & fanbases to lose a super bowl to.

also id imagine the two week layoff has something to do with it. you can only be an irrational homer shifting goalposts and fighting the good fight for so long. at some point you just forget it all and want the game to start.

IMO Denver fans >>>> SF fans. Not so much in terms of regs, but SF seemed to have more nonreg droolers showing up being really wrong about stuff.

Man the weed shops in Colorado must be selling triple volume for this potential party.

Imagine what a SF vs. NE Super Bowl thread would have looked like. Not even sure I could come up with a description that would do it justice.

No real question about this. Not easy to hate Manning or hate the Denver posters, so there's just not much venom available to summon up.

At least on 2+2, certainly.

Would be curious to see a thread debating the rankings of worst fans by team on 2p2. Maybe even do it as a bracket thing, where we vote crap fanbase vs crap fanbase. Could be hilarious. Limit it to baseball, football, basketball (although I'd like to see a few hockey teams sneak in there like Leaf fans)

Was a thread about this before. Think lakers and patriots "won".

Ya I gotta think they'd still be the "winners" today