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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
I mean, there's a "it may not be fair, but here's the real deal" lesson in this. [1]
1. If you constantly piss of people
2. Then they report posts and the mods have to keep getting involved
3. This happens over and over
4. You get warned, banned, whatever.
5. Mods keep wasting time on it. Publicly and privately.
6. Meanwhile it keeps being a distraction and frustrating regular posters
7. This leads to even more mod time and discussion and debate
8. This cylce repeats. Over and over.
9. Eventually, you piss off enough posters and waste enough mod time that it's not worth it anymore and you get to go away.
I've serously spent tens of hours debating/discussing/defending Epi and TuT publicly and privately over the last year. It's not worth it and while I'm not glad they chose to get themselves kicked out, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
ETA: No mods anywhere else on this site or in most corners of the internet would go through the gyrations this mod group goes through to AVOID permabanning posters. If you actually get permabanned, it's quite an accomplishment.
[1] Though it's really perfectly fair, because it's not like there aren't plenty of warnings given
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe
This really is pretty much how it works. I think what happens is it gets to a point where no one cares enough to stick up for a poster anymore and then eventually they're gone.
fwiw, on bitchface in particular, several mods from other forums have wanted to permaban him for awhile and weren't very happy that I allowed him back after the horsepr0n incident. So even if it didn't happen itt, it would've happened shortly just from no SE mod bothering to stick up for him anymore when he pissed all over another forum. I think it goes unrealized by many how many times we as a group go to bat for the relatively loose (by 2+2)standards we go by in SE or stick up for a SE reg when they are making mods in another forum furious.
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
So basically SE and everything it embodies gets haters mad?
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe
In many ways yes. Which is weird to me that its somehow evolved to that point, as I don't really feel we've ever changed our standards much.
Good summary that I'm multiquoting for those who don't follow this that closely.
I'm going to add that TuT/BF and Epi are particularly unfortunate. I basically have told each of them what would happen in the past, and referenced my initial post above. I told them personally, "hey dude, help me out, I'm going to bat for you but it's exhausting and you're not doing me any favors by continuing to act out", and variants of that, several times. So in the end if despite knowing that, they continue to post how they posted, nothing I can or will do anymore to keep them around. This wasn't an overnight thing and they've both had plenty of warning. Heck, they've both been asked repeatedly to just help a brotha out by fixing their posting.
TuT actually tried and did a good job of fixing it for a while, fwiw. Basically, he just accomplished the same trolling-type things but in a tone that was less obnoxious and not as over-the-top as Epi. It's a shame he decided to post in here again after being re-asked not to by Tuq - he could've likely toed the line for a while. Epi I have no regrets about. I tried, I talked to him privately, all he did was argue about it and eventually he never changed a thing. I only am going to waste so much of my personal time defending someone like that. The fact that both are obviously smart dudes makes it that much easier to just put it in the past and move forward.
I do still think we should let G10 back into STST forum but whatever. Up to Mebs.