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Old 11-03-2011, 02:15 AM   #16576
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog, Poster Wake, and Forum Discussion

I thought I remembered a SE reg from Detroit mentioning how quiet/laid back GREEAR was IRL when they hung out. If he were actually like that in real life I would think he'd get the **** beat out of him pretty quick.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:19 AM   #16577
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hes still mad at dyen for posting that he's quiet at the tables
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:25 AM   #16578
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I thought I remembered a SE reg from Detroit mentioning how quiet/laid back GREEAR was IRL when they hung out. If he were actually like that in real life I would think he'd get the **** beat out of him pretty quick.
yea it doesn't really speak positively of the guy at all if he's actually some immature raging clown who flies off the handle over the smallest slight. and yea, i'm sure he would get the **** knocked out of him routinely if he actually said half the **** IRL he said here
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:28 AM   #16579
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No persona, greear is like that irl.
there's always a persona though

in everyone's case. Some take it farther
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:37 AM   #16580
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hes still mad at dyen for posting that he's quiet at the tables
I posted this?

I do remember sitting at the same table while the Tigazz blew a game in the last inning and asking why he wasn't up screaming at the TV, and he responded something along the lines of, "if I only had my laptop".
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:41 AM   #16581
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its in the MICHIGAN MELTDOWN thread, if it still exists
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:48 AM   #16582
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Ohhhh, The Rat/AJ said I called him a little ***** irl, which isn't true.

Besides, how can he be mad at me for that? Someone asks me a question regarding how he acts, I respond, then they spin it to make me look dumb?

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Old 11-03-2011, 02:48 AM   #16583
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well, i must admit, with epi and bitchface out of the picture, that nfl thread quickly morphed into a bastion of intelligent discourse.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:49 AM   #16584
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I have a feeling you'd find a reason to complain no matter what happened.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:54 AM   #16585
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yeah it'd be better if we had people SERIOUSLY (i'm being SERIOUS here people, SERIOUS!!!) arguing that they'd trade ALL their picks in the next 10 drafts for TEBOW, because he's a WINNER. you see, WINNERS just don't come around very often, so when you get a chance to get one, you gotta take it. NO MATTER WHAT THE COST!

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Old 11-03-2011, 02:57 AM   #16586
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I have a feeling you'd find a reason to complain no matter what happened.
well, i gotta say its quite satisfying that i, just a few hours ago, equated pbh with epi in his ability to derail threads and plunge them into aids and he goes and pulls this off.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:58 AM   #16587
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yeah it'd be better if we had people SERIOUSLY (i'm being SERIOUS here people, SERIOUS!!!) arguing that they'd trade ALL their picks in the next 10 drafts for TEBOW, because he's a WINNER. you see, WINNERS just don't come around very often, so when you get a chance to get one, you gotta take it. NO MATTER WHAT THE COST!
clearly both viewpoints are ******ed, but its all about the delivery.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:17 AM   #16588
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well, i gotta say its quite satisfying that i, just a few hours ago, equated pbh with epi in his ability to derail threads and plunge them into aids and he goes and pulls this off.
that's not the nfl thread. that's the luck thread. i agree that this discourse has been frustrating and probably an awful read for anyone not involved, but phb isn't setting out to intentionally piss everyone off. he's just plain not getting it. intent matters imo.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:47 AM   #16589
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clearly both viewpoints are ******ed, but its all about the delivery.
Well, right.
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:45 AM   #16590
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Dude's actual name is WIM. Wim Hof. Yep.



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Old 11-03-2011, 08:48 AM   #16591
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That jacket looks ****ing sick man.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:00 AM   #16592
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his name is Wim Hof. i can't even wrap my mind around how amazing that is.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:12 AM   #16593
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:34 AM   #16594
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his name is Wim Hof. i can't even wrap my mind around how amazing that is.
Agree. Going to have to change avatars
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:53 AM   #16595
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I mean, there's a "it may not be fair, but here's the real deal" lesson in this. [1]

1. If you constantly piss of people
2. Then they report posts and the mods have to keep getting involved
3. This happens over and over
4. You get warned, banned, whatever.
5. Mods keep wasting time on it. Publicly and privately.
6. Meanwhile it keeps being a distraction and frustrating regular posters
7. This leads to even more mod time and discussion and debate
8. This cylce repeats. Over and over.
9. Eventually, you piss off enough posters and waste enough mod time that it's not worth it anymore and you get to go away.

I've serously spent tens of hours debating/discussing/defending Epi and TuT publicly and privately over the last year. It's not worth it and while I'm not glad they chose to get themselves kicked out, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

ETA: No mods anywhere else on this site or in most corners of the internet would go through the gyrations this mod group goes through to AVOID permabanning posters. If you actually get permabanned, it's quite an accomplishment.


[1] Though it's really perfectly fair, because it's not like there aren't plenty of warnings given
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This really is pretty much how it works. I think what happens is it gets to a point where no one cares enough to stick up for a poster anymore and then eventually they're gone.

fwiw, on bitchface in particular, several mods from other forums have wanted to permaban him for awhile and weren't very happy that I allowed him back after the horsepr0n incident. So even if it didn't happen itt, it would've happened shortly just from no SE mod bothering to stick up for him anymore when he pissed all over another forum. I think it goes unrealized by many how many times we as a group go to bat for the relatively loose (by 2+2)standards we go by in SE or stick up for a SE reg when they are making mods in another forum furious.
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So basically SE and everything it embodies gets haters mad?
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In many ways yes. Which is weird to me that its somehow evolved to that point, as I don't really feel we've ever changed our standards much.
Good summary that I'm multiquoting for those who don't follow this that closely.

I'm going to add that TuT/BF and Epi are particularly unfortunate. I basically have told each of them what would happen in the past, and referenced my initial post above. I told them personally, "hey dude, help me out, I'm going to bat for you but it's exhausting and you're not doing me any favors by continuing to act out", and variants of that, several times. So in the end if despite knowing that, they continue to post how they posted, nothing I can or will do anymore to keep them around. This wasn't an overnight thing and they've both had plenty of warning. Heck, they've both been asked repeatedly to just help a brotha out by fixing their posting.

TuT actually tried and did a good job of fixing it for a while, fwiw. Basically, he just accomplished the same trolling-type things but in a tone that was less obnoxious and not as over-the-top as Epi. It's a shame he decided to post in here again after being re-asked not to by Tuq - he could've likely toed the line for a while. Epi I have no regrets about. I tried, I talked to him privately, all he did was argue about it and eventually he never changed a thing. I only am going to waste so much of my personal time defending someone like that. The fact that both are obviously smart dudes makes it that much easier to just put it in the past and move forward.

I do still think we should let G10 back into STST forum but whatever. Up to Mebs.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:53 AM   #16596
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So basically you're mad Mods exist?

There's never been any pretense that this site is a democracy.

There's never been any pretense that Mods have to vet their actions with anybody.

There's never been any pretense that Mods aren't allowed to use their own judgement when taking action, or that that judgement may end up being somewhat arbitrary.
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Interesting that people still seem to think this was one person's decision.
I clearly brought a knife to a gunfight and have been proven wrong about several assumptions I made. Obviously mods are necessary but its pretty troubling to see those last three paragraphs written by one.

With the rampant idiocy this place is mired in its amazing to me that so many people wanted an intelligent poster who put a ton of time and effort into posting removed because he irked some people and trolled a little too much (I wasn't around for thremp but assume this applies to him as well). BF was a net positive and would have been much moreso if people didn't engage him in the same tired derails. This place is charmin-soft. lol se.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:11 AM   #16597
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X-post from the Tebow thread, since I'd like to keep the conversation all in one place and let the Tebow thread stay focused on, well, the (mis)adventures of Tim Tebow.




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I really can't see how it (my extensive trolling about Tebow this year and the Broncos a few years ago) would bother anyone who is capable of a reasonable amount of rational thought. ...................I think its pretty easy in both cases to see that I'm trolling, as while I may be wrong from time to time in my serious posts, I never use such obviously poor reasoning(at least I don't think I do).
This is total BS. Yes, it's obvious to some, but the idea that you "don't see how it bothers people" is clearly absurd given how successful and glorious your track record is at bothering people.

The bottom-line is that it's a serious net negative to forum discussion when otherwise intelligent posters put on an exhaustive play dumb act, requiring people to decipher when they are serious and not. This is effect is exacerbated when it's created by posters who are reasonably smart and frequently and with full sincerity have and defend contrarian view points.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:13 AM   #16598
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With the rampant idiocy this place is mired in its amazing to me that so many people wanted an intelligent poster who put a ton of time and effort into posting removed because he irked some people and trolled a little too much (I wasn't around for thremp but assume this applies to him as well). BF was a net positive and would have been much moreso if people didn't engage him in the same tired derails. This place is charmin-soft. lol se.
Thremp isn't gone because of trolling. It's because he was an ass who contributed nothing. "You're an idiot, and no, I'm not going to say why - do your own homework" is pretty much the sum total of every SE post he made.

Your take on BF is pretty loltastic. Hey, it's everyone else's fault, not his!

Again, in all cases the perma'd posters were given tons of time and effort to keep them around. Were asked to stop/change their behavior. Were a huge time suck for everyone involved. Yet, time and time and time again they ignored all requests. It's 100% on them.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:16 AM   #16599
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The bottom-line is that it's a serious net negative to forum discussion when otherwise intelligent posters put on an exhaustive play dumb act, requiring people to decipher when they are serious and not. This is effect is exacerbated when it's created by posters who are reasonably smart and frequently and with full sincerity have and defend contrarian view points.
This is true except for when discussing ELIte Manning in the beast thread.
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