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04-11-2013 , 09:31 AM

#58976

chim17

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In other news was having this debate with a friend.. would you prefer a perennial playoff team, or one title?

Specifically.. would you prefer if you were to root for a team that would win a title in the middle of x years of never making the playoffs, or one that made the playoffs for x years in a row without winning a title?

Surely there is a point that x is preferred, at what point do you prefer x?

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04-11-2013 , 09:42 AM

#58977

CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by chim17

title. its crushing to make the playoffs all the time and never win.

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04-11-2013 , 09:53 AM

#58978

chim17

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

title. its crushing to make the playoffs all the time and never win.

There's no line for x?

So you'd prefer one title in your life and then never make the playoffs again?

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04-11-2013 , 09:55 AM

#58979

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

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who wants to root for a team that makes the playoffs 30 years in a row and never titles. you'd be a laughing stock

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04-11-2013 , 09:58 AM

#58980

Das Boot

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As x gets higher, both situations get intolerably ****ty. Uncertainty is really fundamental to being a fan, imo. Both are tolerable for x<=5, titling obviously better.

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04-11-2013 , 10:01 AM

#58981

chim17

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Originally Posted by BAIDS

who wants to root for a team that makes the playoffs 30 years in a row and never titles. you'd be a laughing stock

Not more of a laughing stock than a team that titled 25 years ago but never made the playoffs again.

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04-11-2013 , 10:02 AM

#58982

CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by chim17

There's no line for x?

So you'd prefer one title in your life and then never make the playoffs again?

x=1 the way its asked. I would prefer to win a title every year. I dont really get the question where you have the same variable in both though. It seems like smaller numbers are clearly better for both.

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04-11-2013 , 10:03 AM

#58983

Das Boot

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The idea is that you have the same variable in each so you can find, assuming you'd rather have (at some stage) playoffs every year than one title and constant suckage, the specific value of X where the playoffs become better than constant suckage. You're misunderstanding the situation.

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04-11-2013 , 10:03 AM

#58984

Zimmer4141

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So you're basically asking if you would rather be a fan of the Miami Marlins or the post-04 New England Patriots?

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04-11-2013 , 10:07 AM

#58985

BAIDS

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watching your team blowing it again in the playoffs for the 31st year in a row would be miserable experience. like being a modern arsenal fan only worse, and for longer.

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04-11-2013 , 10:08 AM

#58986

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CDLLLLLLLLLLL

what? I mean he asked what x you would prefer. The lowest number possible is basically objectively correct barring some utility curve where you get massively exponential satisfaction off of suffering for some time before winning or making the playoffs for a long time and not winning.

I would prefer a 10 year playoff run with no title (and then an uncertain future) than 1 title and no other playoffs in 50 years, but that doesn't seem to be the question.

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04-11-2013 , 10:09 AM

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Das Boot

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oh ok the wording was imprecise. still easy to tell what he meant. "Surely there's some point at which the perennial playoff team is preferred -- at what value of X does this occur?"

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I would prefer a 10 year playoff run with no title (and then an uncertain future) than 1 title and no other playoffs in 50 years, but that doesn't seem to be the question.

This is why X=X is important. You don't get those 40 years of uncertainty if you're comparing to 50 years of one title. The 40 years are 40 more years of making the playoffs every year and winning 0 titles.

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04-11-2013 , 10:14 AM

#58988

thedeezy

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title. Rather be the Yankees over the Braves

Last edited by thedeezy; 04-11-2013 at 10:14 AM. Reason: or Giants over Tigers

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04-11-2013 , 10:14 AM

#58989

chim17

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

How can you be so nitty? You're the only one that would ever struggle at all to see what I was saying.

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04-11-2013 , 10:16 AM

#58990

chim17

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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

So you're basically asking if you would rather be a fan of the Miami Marlins or the post-04 New England Patriots?

Ya that's a decent example.

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04-11-2013 , 10:17 AM

#58991

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Originally Posted by Das Boot

oh ok the wording was imprecise. still easy to tell what he meant. "Surely there's some point at which the perennial playoff team is preferred -- at what value of X does this occur?"

This is why X=X is important. You don't get those 40 years of uncertainty if you're comparing to 50 years of one title. The 40 years are 40 more years of making the playoffs every year and winning 0 titles.

How is it clear that hes asking whick point we prefer the perennial playoff team and not which point we prefer the title? Thats why I answered how I did. I think its important to know if the string of playoffs is broken by a title, a year where anything can happen (ie. decided before the season), or missing the playoffs. I would require knowing if the playoff drought with 1 title is broken by an appearance and no title, a year where anything can happen (ie. decided before the season), or a title. The distinctions here would radically alter my answer.

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04-11-2013 , 10:18 AM

#58992

Das Boot

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Playoffs every year knowing you're not gonna title just seems miserable.

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04-11-2013 , 10:19 AM

#58993

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Originally Posted by chim17

How can you be so nitty? You're the only one that would ever struggle at all to see what I was saying.

so are you asking what x makes you prefer winning the title or being the playoff team? its still not clear.

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04-11-2013 , 10:20 AM

#58994

BAIDS

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cdl, part of being smart is knowing when to make reasonable assumpions

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04-11-2013 , 10:21 AM

#58995

CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by Das Boot

Playoffs every year knowing you're not gonna title just seems miserable.

yea, ATL has it worse than Cleveland. 1 title in history and a lot more opportunities. Kinda funny we had to beat Cleveland to win that title tho.

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04-11-2013 , 10:26 AM

#58996

Das Boot

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

so are you asking what x makes you prefer winning the title or being the playoff team? its still not clear.

if the utility curves intersect, at what X do they intersect? for 99.9% of people whose curves intersect, the utility is going to be higher for title/suck before X and higher for playoff after X. but, if you're different in this regard, you can mention this as well! if your utility curves here don't intersect for some reason, that's a valid response too!

last shot, hope this helps.

Last edited by Das Boot; 04-11-2013 at 10:29 AM. Reason: jfc

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04-11-2013 , 10:27 AM

#58997

CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by chim17

how is it remotely clear what direction we are talking about over the inflection point? if this was a test question it would be thrown out 100% of the time. It seems like he is asking "at what x do you prefer A over B?" in this instance there is no way to tell if A is the red or blue. If the answer is never or always then how would you answer?

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04-11-2013 , 10:28 AM

#58998

Omar Comin

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fwiw this is what I bought,

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000EQW3ZA

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04-11-2013 , 10:32 AM

#58999

dkgojackets

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the question was posed extremely poorly because it used "x" to mean multiple things

this makes no sense

"A) x years over which you have one championship and suck the rest
B) x years over which you are consistently good but no championship

when do you prefer x?"

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04-11-2013 , 10:33 AM

#59000

yeotaJMU

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As a cowboys fan, I'm happy to at least be able to sweat the season even though they break my heart at the end and i wind up soul crushed.

I'd take that over a rams fan.

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