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Btw this argument is a pretty good idea why the Politics forum has become an "LEC". Conservative argle-bargle doesn't last long out in the sunlight. It needs to stay in the emotionally-charged recesses of fearful minds to flourish.

I've gone against the whole group over there many times. It's not fun. So I actually agree that sometimes they go overboard in group think and of course fly gets his own standards because fly. But if you have a sound argument you can still hold your own over there. The conservatives who actually complain about LEC almost universally have no argument other than inchoate ill-informed derp.

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01-25-2016 , 03:50 PM

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You realize you sound like a conspiracy nut right? Can you articulate one political thing taught in common core or explain any plausible way that teaching goofy math is going to achieve some political end. Is this part of Agenda 21?

What does this have to do with anything?

The problem of your Koch Bros. example is that billionaires can buy educational policy. That's it. THAT is the problem and it's huge one. It literally does not matter what they do with this power. The problem is that they can obtain it. And fairly easily. The fact that you kept bringing up Austrian economics was shortsighted and dumb. And as Shane's post pointed out, your objection with the agenda and not with the actual problem is lol. You are lol.

Nobody ever said common core is going to result in kids learning political agendas.

Are you stupid or something?

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01-25-2016 , 03:55 PM

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Again what is the political agenda here? Use your words. Bill Gates isn't even that political. Why would a liberal like Colbert blast some liberal agenda vehicle. Maybe he's not in on the conthpiracy!

You realize that being against something just because some of your enemies are for it is a pretty huge fallacy right?

It's also a huge fallacy to demand that everything have an equal and opposite. What the Koch's are doing is nothing like this. Bill Gates is just trying to make kids smarter. There is no evidence of even the tiniest shred of political agenda in common core and you haven't even attempted to show one other than you think it means something that Bill Gates charitable foundation is a backer.

The political agenda doesn't matter. That one billionaire could bend the entire education system to his will in a fairly short time should frighten you a lot more than the Kochs teaching some poor kids in Kansas about some dumb economic theory that they won't pay attention to anyway.

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01-25-2016 , 03:59 PM

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Can you see where big business buying out schools on the condition they get to implement a new curriculum could be a problem?

You made this post. Yes that can be a problem. A big problem. And that's why you should be upset at how easy it was for Bill Gates to do it on a massive scale.

Common core could end up being the GOAT and it would still not justify the way it was implemented and rolled out.

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01-25-2016 , 04:02 PM

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Also the Stop getting your information from Glen Beck given the dubious nature of that Koch Bros. source. You're worse than ikes. Just appallingly biased.

Yup.

If anyone's curious as to why this thread has turned the way it has recently:

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It's that time again. Big project at work, need to impress the new bosses. Having them catch me arguing with politards during meetings is not the way to go about that. Plus I'm on the diet pretty hardcore and arguing with the likes of domer raises my BP. Plus wtf are we all really doing here besides jerking off?

$138 to the first person who quotes me posting in Politics between now and March 1st.

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01-25-2016 , 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Billionaires always have tons of influence on whatever they want. Why should education be something we should be extra scared of billionaires meddling with?

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01-25-2016 , 04:10 PM

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Billionaires always have tons of influence on whatever they want. Why should education be something we should be extra scared of billionaires meddling with?

I never said extra.

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01-25-2016 , 04:14 PM

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I never said extra.

Well, your example was education and not, say, billionaires donating to ALEC to make it harder for black people to vote or for women to get abortions. Why is Gates the centerpiece of your argument instead of just about anything else?

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01-25-2016 , 04:16 PM

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when what you mean is that you don't care about big business buying out schools as long as you agree with the agenda being pushed.

The whole premise of Shane's post was based on the "agenda" of common core. Then we get 50 posts of Wooderson saying "common core is bad" and Suzzer saying "but what's their agenda?"

And in the end I think they both agree that common core isn't inherently bad, but big money shouldn't impact school policy. Too bad they were both busy yelling at each other.

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01-25-2016 , 04:30 PM

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Because that's what suzzer was arguing was totes fine?

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01-25-2016 , 04:31 PM

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I don't think that's what suzzer thinks. I think he's fine with it because some of his blue teammates are down with it.

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01-25-2016 , 04:35 PM

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Because that's what suzzer was arguing was totes fine?

Well, I mean, if you just want to prevent billionaires from influencing things in general, I guess it can be done. It will require repealing the first amendment, but there's your path.

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01-25-2016 , 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ludacris

common core isn't inherently bad, but big money shouldn't impact school policy.

This is a contradiction.

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01-25-2016 , 05:06 PM

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Don't know anything about common core except my insane fundamentalist Christian aunts and uncles are furious about it on Facebook. So using some basic Bayesian analysis it's probably a pretty good thing. But what's the deal, why is common core "despicable" or whatever? I mean some of the math problems I saw posted on Facebook look dumb but who cares?

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01-25-2016 , 05:07 PM

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This is a contradiction.

No it's not... If big money was used to somehow impact foreign policy that resulted in world peace, it wouldn't make world peace bad...

The problem is that the industries currently using money to impact foreign policy are the ones that make money from wars.

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01-25-2016 , 05:15 PM

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Well, I mean, if you just want to prevent billionaires from influencing things in general, I guess it can be done. It will require repealing the first amendment, but there's your path.

There's a difference between influence and bribes.

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01-25-2016 , 05:47 PM

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There's a difference between influence and bribes.

How is what Gates did a bribe, and how is it different from non-bribe ways billionaires buy influence?

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01-25-2016 , 05:56 PM

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Ted Cruz is the type of creature where you don't know whether to rip its human face off or put its human face back on

Thread was worth re-opening just to read this.

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01-25-2016 , 07:00 PM

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How is what Gates did a bribe, and how is it different from non-bribe ways billionaires buy influence?

this is a leading question directing him down the conspiracy nut path, no?

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01-25-2016 , 07:02 PM

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this is a leading question directing him down the conspiracy nut path, no?

I don't know? He was the one implying that what Gates was doing constitutes bribery and that such bribery is common. I figured it was at least fair to get some more clarity about his position.

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01-25-2016 , 07:10 PM

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Well a bribe is obviously not above-board, pretty much any accusation of activity below the surface can be brushed off as conspiracy theory.

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This kind of stuff just gets tedious. Conspiracy nut accusations over someone who most of us kind of 'know', which is the point of the thread. No need to weed out new posters and break down their ulterior motives.

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01-25-2016 , 07:14 PM

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Leading is allowed in cross examination.

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01-25-2016 , 07:52 PM

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LOL what an amazing bit of ikesing.

1) Disregard anecdote because... reasons

2) Disregard widely reported, more serious recent stuff because of #1

Oh please the nazi nonsense is terrible. "We don't knew what his dad thought about hitler, but his caregiver told mean fairy tales!" Please, if you can find a version of that story not written by someone with an obvious agenda I'll happily read it, but forgive me for not taking an obviously biased source making an unsourced claim as gospel.