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01-25-2016 , 07:59 PM

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There are many in my profession that feel that common core is a thing because the large education companies, like Pearson and others, are pushing to get paid for new tests, textbooks, and other services. Not sure if that's a political agenda or a profit agenda, really.

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01-25-2016 , 08:02 PM

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I think Greg Popovich would make a fine president

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01-25-2016 , 08:04 PM

#2053

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I'd imagine this happens pretty frequently. Harebrained Educational Scheme X has failed, so we must try Harebrained Educational Scheme Y! And when we can say that definitively failed 10 years down the road, well, time for Z! Meanwhile the government keeps shoveling money at the problem while McKinsey consultants, publishing companies, and other assorted conmen get paid, and we all live happily ever after.

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01-25-2016 , 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich

I'd imagine this happens pretty frequently. Harebrained Educational Scheme X has failed, so we must try Harebrained Educational Scheme Y! And when we can say that definitely failed 10 years down the road, well, time for Z! Meanwhile the governemnt keeps shoveling money at the problem while McKinsey consultants, publishing companies, and other assorted conmen get paid, and we all live happily ever after.

This is spot on. In my 19 or so years in education, I've been through several different iterations of "this is a GAME CHANGER!"

None of them, of course, actual game changers.

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01-25-2016 , 08:12 PM

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Sounds like they're all reading too much Glen Beck.

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01-25-2016 , 08:14 PM

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How is what Gates did a bribe, and how is it different from non-bribe ways billionaires buy influence?

Probably just that he did a worse job of hiding it. Equally problematic. Shame on any liberals who pretend its not a problem because they happen to trust Gates.

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01-25-2016 , 08:18 PM

#2057

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I don't really have a strong opinion on common core.

I will say the math examples I've seen parents complaining about on FB have been pretty lol at first. But then once I thought about some of them I realized they were teaching kids how think more about how the numbers interacted than just memorizing techniques.

When I was in elementary school I got in trouble for not following the technique and figuring equations out in my head whenever I could. I don't know that's necessarily a good thing.

Either way this is nowhere near in the same category as teaching elementary school kids that the New Deal worsened the Depression - which isn't accepted by any mainstream economic or historical school of thought.

After a brief amount of research, this didn't happen. The class was offered to high school sophomores, juniors and seniors as an elective. I'm pretty sure that we can agree that the horror this book claims is actually simply exposing high school students to libertarian thought. It's not buying a political curriculum for their history classes. You got worked up by absolutely nothing.

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01-25-2016 , 08:19 PM

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Probably just that he did a worse job of hiding it. Equally problematic. Shame on any liberals who pretend its not a problem because they happen to trust Gates.

Uh, surely there must be some way to distinguish bribery and, say, buying influence by way of funding an ad campaign or something that's a bit more clear than just spending money on a cause. Like, usually bribery is spending money in exchange for some personal benefit. What does Gates get for bankrolling Common Core?

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01-25-2016 , 08:21 PM

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The content. Elementary school kids don't need to be taught fringe Austrian economics as if it's fact. If you follow the link there's a ton more of them.

Can you see where big business buying out schools on the condition they get to implement a new curriculum could be a problem?

So we've already established that buying out elementary schools, or any school for that matter, didn't happen. So let's address the rest of this paragraph. Basically this person wants to push for a libertarian youth movement in universities... correct?

What's the difference between pushing for a libertarian youth movement in colleges compared to the very prominent various liberal youth movements that currently exists on virtually all campuses? There's an actual movement that exists in real life making ludicrous demands on college presidents and organizing furiously over a certain set of identities in politics (BLM), why isn't that just like the nazis?

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01-25-2016 , 08:25 PM

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How should I know? He's the one who put up hundreds of millions of dollars, not me. Ask him.

The way to distinguish bribery from ad campaigns is that bribery ends up in policy makers bank accounts directly. Gates money surely did eventually. And yes that probably happens a lot in other areas too. Those are big problems too that I'm not downplaying. It's not an either or thing. Except to you suzzer fly ikes etc; Gotta support the team.

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01-25-2016 , 08:30 PM

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Which lawmakers did Gates pay off?

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01-25-2016 , 08:32 PM

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Which lawmakers did Gates pay off?

John King Jr.

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01-25-2016 , 08:33 PM

#2063

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Oh and the Gates bought common core stuff is pure bull**** just stop.

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01-25-2016 , 08:35 PM

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In October 2013 King launched a listening tour across the state, in response to the State of New York’s adoption of Common Core Standards. After a forum near Poughkeepsie, where he was drowned out by the crowd, he canceled several other planned forums, then rescheduled them.[11] King was called on to resign by several parent groups.[12] In November 2014, the state teachers’ union called for his resignation.

Universally despised by literally every group in the state on both sides of the aisle? LETS PROMOTE HIM.

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01-25-2016 , 08:36 PM

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John King Jr.

Do you have a citation for this?

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01-25-2016 , 08:37 PM

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King was among the founders of Roxbury Preparatory Charter School, where he served as co-director for five years and developed its curriculum and rules, such as no talking in the hallways between classes

common core sounds wild

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01-25-2016 , 08:50 PM

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Do you have a citation for this?

Gates gave millions to his wife's nonprofit, which compensates her financially. That compensation is completely dependent on these "donating." This is money that literally traveled from Gates into the bank account of John and Melissa Steel King without many, if any stops inbetween.

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01-25-2016 , 08:55 PM

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Money to a charitable organization is hardly money in their pocket, but OK, what is your plan to end this?

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01-25-2016 , 09:36 PM

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Don't know anything about common core except my insane fundamentalist Christian aunts and uncles are furious about it on Facebook. So using some basic Bayesian analysis it's probably a pretty good thing. But what's the deal, why is common core "despicable" or whatever? I mean some of the math problems I saw posted on Facebook look dumb but who cares?

OPEN YOUR EYES MAN

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01-25-2016 , 09:38 PM

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Totally the same thing as brainwashing kids in Austrian economics for political gain.

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01-25-2016 , 09:53 PM

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Money to a charitable organization is hardly money in their pocket, but OK, what is your plan to end this?

Complain about it on the Internet

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01-25-2016 , 11:58 PM

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01-26-2016 , 02:27 AM

#2073

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So perfect

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01-26-2016 , 09:06 AM

#2074

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Suzzer are you really not going to address how your claim that Koch was buying out school curriculum was totally false?

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01-26-2016 , 10:21 AM

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LOL NATE SILVER

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