whoa vines work on 2+2 now that's some high tech tech there i'll tell you what

I don't really have a strong opinion on common core.

I will say the math examples I've seen parents complaining about on FB have been pretty lol at first. But then once I thought about some of them I realized they were teaching kids how think more about how the numbers interacted than just memorizing techniques.

When I was in elementary school I got in trouble for not following the technique and figuring equations out in my head whenever I could. I don't know that's necessarily a good thing.

Either way this is nowhere near in the same category as teaching elementary school kids that the New Deal worsened the Depression - which isn't accepted by any mainstream economic or historical school of thought.

So don't say, "Can you see where big business buying out schools on the condition they get to implement a new curriculum could be a problem?" when what you mean is that you don't care about big business buying out schools as long as you agree with the agenda being pushed.

Which big business is implementing common core and what's the political agenda being pushed on elementary school kids? Think about math more = Austrian economics?

LOL what an amazing bit of ikesing.

1) Disregard anecdote because... reasons

2) Disregard widely reported, more serious recent stuff because of #1

Pearson and Bill Gates off the top of my head

Fly stop trying to turn this into a liberal echo chamber (LEC) like Politics. This thread is a safe space for ikes and his nonsense posts.

I'm not seeing where the level of influence is anywhere near commensurate with the Koch anecdote. Nor is the political agenda. They want US kids to compete with other countries like Singapore and S. Korea.

Maybe the implementation sucks - I don't know. But it's not like they're trying to indoctrinate elementary school kids in widely discredited Austrian economics.

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Yes you just quoted the post I addressed. Do you really not understand the difference between the Koch's pushing Austrian economics as a condition for bailing out the Topeka school district vs. a goofy way to learn math? What is the big political agenda of Common Core - make kids dumber so the socialists can take over?

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/...mmon-core-math

Still not seeing where fringe politics is being taught to elementary school kids as fact anywhere in this.

Derp

Couldn't care less what the agenda is and neither should you. It's dangerous and stupid to even allow a situation where the agenda needs to be interpreted.

Let's not get ridiculous here.

This is non-responsive gibberish. There is no political agenda to common core, whereas the Koch's agenda is plain as day.

Lol ok

Apparently there is one which can't possibly be articulated? Again, what exactly is the political agenda of common core?

If Glenn Beck complains about something does that automatically give that thing a political agenda in your mind?

Colbert is a raging liberal. Why would he complain about common core if it was some big liberal plot?

Dude I have no idea what you're rambling about. The Koch brothers buying schools and teaching bull**** is horrible if true. Common core is also an abomination. They aren't mutually exclusive. Why are you defending it?

Your answer to Shane's post should have been "yes I do oppose it" instead of rambling on like the lefty ikes madman.

What's the political angle to common core? You seem to just assume this implicitly while making no attempt to argue that one exists.

I've already mentioned Pearson and you hand waived it away by saying "it's just silly math problems, no biggie". That company alone has hundreds of millions of dollars at stake and are actively lobbying CC.

Then there's people like Gates who might have 100% honorable agendas but who knows and who cares. It doesn't even matter. Common core is despicable enough on its own that we don't need to interpret the agendas of its baffling supporters.

There's people like John King in NY who couldn't care less about actual education and just used it to advance his career.

After a completely disastrous tenure in NY, he's now the Secretary of Education for Obama and it's someone else's mess to clean up. He just happens to be married to a partner at Bellwether who has gotten millions of dollars in "grants" from Gates and the like.

It's all shady as ****.

So you got nothing but vague conspiracies. Did you read the article I sent? Common Core was not inspired by the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. Stop getting your information from Glenn Beck.

I've literally never read anything from Glen Beck. And it's not a conspiracy. John King's wife is Melissa Steel King. She is a partner at Bellwether Education Partners, Inc.

That foundation has received millions of dollars in grants from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. http://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-W.../11/OPP1096128

That bothers me. And it has nothing to do with the agenda of Bill Gates. His agenda could not matter less. Nor does the Koch agenda. Its what theyre doing thats a problem, not why theyre doing it.

I don't like any situation where someone can directly influence politicians that way, especially when its having such a negative impact on kids. That was just one case that I found after like 10 minutes of research. Obviously there's a lot more of it going on all over the country.

And you ignore Pearson again. That's not a conspiracy. Just ****ing Google Pearson Common Core.

You realize you sound like a conspiracy nut right? Can you articulate one political thing taught in common core or explain any plausible way that teaching goofy math is going to achieve some political end. Is this part of Agenda 21?

Also the Stop getting your information from Glen Beck given the dubious nature of that Koch Bros. source. You're worse than ikes. Just appallingly biased.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f0a_story.html

STOP READING GLEN BECK

Feel free to refute the claim about the Topeka school district. Was the author sued for defamation? You realize published books generally have standards right, and there are consequences for flat out lies that defame someone. The author and the publisher can be liable. Doesn't mean falsehoods never make it into books. But just getting something published carries a decent amount of weight.

You don't like the source, then discredit it or show it's wrong. Don't just say - well yeah I've never heard of them, and I don't like the message, so I choose to believe it's unreputable.

Again what is the political agenda here? Use your words. Bill Gates isn't even that political. Why would a liberal like Colbert blast some liberal agenda vehicle. Maybe he's not in on the conthpiracy!

You realize that being against something just because some of your enemies are for it is a pretty huge fallacy right?

It's also a huge fallacy to demand that everything have an equal and opposite. What the Koch's are doing is nothing like this. Bill Gates is just trying to make kids smarter. There is no evidence of even the tiniest shred of political agenda in common core and you haven't even attempted to show one other than you think it means something that Bill Gates charitable foundation is a backer.