54-61 without Brady.

More like 85/15 brady.

5% Brady
20% Belichick
20% Being surrounded by an elite supporting cast for his entire career
20% Active rigging from the NFL
35% Cheating

I gotta say, while it's sorta kinda easy-ish to compare Brady and Manning because their careers overlapped a ton, when it gets into true GOAT talk it gets insanely muddy and impossible to determine anything.

First you have the problem that while a QB has dramatically more effect on a team winning or losing than any other individual position, it's still way less than 50% on its own. There's a huge list of quarterbacks with 0-1 championships who had a ton of talent and WIM, and meh teams and hopeless defenses behind them for a decade or more.

And then you have the fact that even going back a single decade to compare to other guys you're talking about a whole different era of football. Montana, for example, is gonna wind up with half of Brady's playoff wins, but still has the best SB QB rating and never threw a damn interception in going 4-0 in those games. In the decade where offenses were just starting to open up.

So until you can get some quantum computer from another dimension that can exactly replicate our whole reality while plugging in, say, Montana as the guy that's born in 1977 and gets drafted by the Pats, it's all hypothetical. And who knows, maybe he goes something like 10-1 in SBs with Belichick over the same period. Maybe he can't quite click with the system and has some high points and lots of notable failures and leaves for another team after a few years. Maybe in the end you do that with everybody going all the way back to Otto Graham, and it does turn out that Brady is the best combination of talent and mental makeup and durability and everything else to succeed. Maybe 3 or 4 or 10 other guys fly past him. Who the **** knows.

You also have to take into account that Brady over the years didnt take the maximum money and always left room for the team to work with.

Montana's 4-0 is impressive until you realise it means he only went to 4 superbowls. What a loser.

With Brady those 49ers teams win 12 titles in a row.

Plus he crossed the picket line to play against scabs lol so much WIL

I know this is sarcasm but nfc was so much better than the afc for most of montana’s Career. From 1981 to 1996, only one afc team won a title, the raiders. The niners win 4, cowboys 3, giants 2, skins 3, and bears and packers 1. There wasn’t much of a cakewalk to the sb.

The niners also had competition in the division from the rams and saints although the falcons were a complete joke.

In 9 years at starting qb, niners made the conference title game 6 times and sb 4 times under Montana. He also didn’t really start full time until year 3.

Couldn't agree more. Cheating and racism were more accepted back then, so Brady would have had a field day.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-j...ters-51200197/

Yeah, Montana is a badass, that's not being debated. What about the next several years if he was still a 49er? They probably aren't beating the Cowboys. Or if Montana got to the Superbowl and had to play the Giants in 86 and 90 and lost he is then 4-2 in Superbowls, maybe 5-2 if he stayed healthy till 1994.

the fact that Manning has only one less of these games while playing in 13 less playoff games than Brady kind of invalidates the argument that is trying to be made. Manning played in 27 playoff games and had 19 games with a QB Rating <92 (70%). Brady had 20 in 40 games (50%).

He might have been able to beat an afc team but players didn’t play typically that late into their careers as they do now. Joe missed almost two seasons at the end of his prime due to an elbow injury, he also didn’t regular start until he was 25. Odds are even with a 2018 Healthcare/science Joe Montana in 1991-1995, I’m not sure how they would have done against the likes of the cowboys, but I doubt it works for joe to lead the niners to that many more sbs, maybe one in 1994 when Steve won. That niner team was stacked and Steve was at his best so IDK.

You think he's some perfect footballing specimen, despite his 40 being the slowest ever recorded.

How exactly has he achieved Goat status, while being a literal Gimp?

He has revolutionized the muscle memory of throwing a football to a streaking target, while being a gimp.

he's got a computer processor brain, so much smarter than Peyton Manning

he's a luckbox, 6th-round afterthought charity case

believe it!

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I wonder if they could've convinced him to lift

Its good to see my comments in this thread have aged like fine wine.

ppl love to blame rahim moore, but mvp manning had the ball in overtime to win and he threw a pick. at this point, you gotta beleve in wim.

Definitely. I just wish we could have gotten more clarity from such a good looking guy on how you feel about ugly (or is it unatractive?) people with neckbeards.

I feel personally attacked my MDoranD

Spot on MD.

It’s hilarious how one troll post can enrage Pats fanboys so quickly.

Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson look better on that list than Peyton, Rodgers and Brees.

Biennial bump