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NFL Old and Ongoing Bicker about Manning vs. Brady Thread.  AKA The Biggest Loser NFL Old and Ongoing Bicker about Manning vs. Brady Thread.  AKA The Biggest Loser

02-04-2019 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tabbaker
Yep he had one good throw in an entire Super Bowl game.
Imagine having to sort through an entire Super Bowel's gamefilm to find your protagonist's shining achievement, a throw innumerable high schoolers make.
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02-04-2019 , 07:10 PM
Brady's never defeated a HOF coach/QB in the same super bowl while numerous other QBs such as Drew Brees have. The Patriots would probably never lose a Super Bowl if they had Brees instead of Brady.
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02-04-2019 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
No one trashes him tho (outside of obvious trolls saying "hurry durr system QB"). Pointing out that he's the only QB in his era that has a winning record when he plays poorly isnt trashing him, it's acknowledging reality.

Saying "hes 30-10" in the playoffs ignores the context that a guy like ARod never gets the chance to play more games because even when he plays well, his defense allows 44 or 45 pts and he goes home.
Brady has won Super Bowls with his team allowing 29, 24 and 28 points. He set records in last year’s Super Bowl, scores 33 points and they lost.

It happens. Some years the Pack defense let Rodgers down. Others he just wasn’t good:

Packers eliminated in 2015 giving up 26 points, 20 in regulation. Needed two miracle hail Marie’s to even get to 20 points.

2014 playoffs Rodgers was garbage vs Seattle while his defense dominated the Seahawks (same Seahawks defense Brady went off on for 350 and 4 TDS)

2013 playoffs packers lost 23-20. Rodgers was meh.
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02-04-2019 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gs3737
Brady has won Super Bowls with his team allowing 29, 24 and 28 points. He set records in last year’s Super Bowl, scores 33 points and they lost.

It happens. Some years the Pack defense let Rodgers down. Others he just wasn’t good:

Packers eliminated in 2015 giving up 26 points, 20 in regulation. Needed two miracle hail Marie’s to even get to 20 points.

2014 playoffs Rodgers was garbage vs Seattle while his defense dominated the Seahawks (same Seahawks defense Brady went off on for 350 and 4 TDS)

2013 playoffs packers lost 23-20. Rodgers was meh.
Yeah, because Brady's really ****ing good, that's the point.

But he doesn't see those SBs if he doesn't get bailed out in some earlier games. Like you said, it happens. It just happens to Brady more often than any of his contemporaries.

He's the intersection of "really ****ing good" and "really ****ing lucky" whereas a guy like Arod is more "Really ****ing good" and "Fat ****ing Mike".

Ultimately we're still talking about a super small sample size. Brady's winning record with a bad QBrtg is basically one season of games. Plenty of QBs have had good seasons carried by good teams. He's just had the good fortune to accumulate those games in some ultra high leverage spots.
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02-04-2019 , 07:46 PM
I don’t think Brady gets bailed out more than his contemporaries on a % basis.

Also Rodgers being held down by GB/McCarthy narrative is overblown. True? Yes. But not as rampant as people make it out to be.
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02-04-2019 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
Saying "hes 30-10" in the playoffs ignores the context that a guy like ARod never gets the chance to play more games because even when he plays well, his defense allows 44 or 45 pts and he goes home.
It's nice to see RT give up on Peyton and start comparing Brady to Rodgers. I guess all those State Farm commercials caught RT's eye.
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02-04-2019 , 10:06 PM
How much better is Belichick than his contemporaries in this era? How about the gap between Brady and the other greats of this era? I'd assume the gap for the coaches is much larger than QBs. I will say Belichick and his D didn't look all that great vs the Eagles last year but the team has obviously been a step ahead of everyone the last 20 years.
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02-04-2019 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornboy
It's nice to see RT give up on Peyton and start comparing Brady to Rodgers. I guess all those State Farm commercials caught RT's eye.
I picked ARod because the difference is absolutely glaring. It's still large between Brady and Peyton but guys like ARod and Brees get absolutely zero help when they play average-to-bad whereas Brady has historically got quite a bit.
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02-04-2019 , 10:34 PM
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-...ltime=1&sort=w

Crazy how many more games Brady has had than even 2nd most all time (post 1970s era). Although his home winning % isn't anywhere near the top all time. 75% winning % over 40 games is nuts. Joe Montana only played in 23 playoff games. Manning is a paltry 11-8 at home in the playoffs. Most of the top guys all time are much more favorable at home.
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02-04-2019 , 10:49 PM
I had also forgotten how he's blown past Manning and Favre to the tune of about two seasons' worth of wins, 207-186. Time flies.
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02-04-2019 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
I picked ARod because the difference is absolutely glaring
It’s 6 games you described as cherry-picked, kiddo.
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02-04-2019 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornboy
It’s 6 games you described as cherry-picked, kiddo.
Fine, you choose the metric. As long as it's not some nonsensical bull**** you're using to troll , it will say the same thing.

The only person that even approaches Bradys level of "play bad and still get there" is Rape
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02-05-2019 , 01:00 AM
Rodgers is obviously better than Brady.

Belichick with Rodgers would win every SB.
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02-05-2019 , 01:30 AM
Rodgers career would probably be over by 30 if he had to attempt to play 18-19 game seasons every single year.
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02-05-2019 , 01:55 AM
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02-05-2019 , 02:06 AM
^^ I was reading those stats yesterday, really cements that NE success is 85% Bellichik and 15% Brady - where multiple other QBs would have done at least as well.
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02-05-2019 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by capone0
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-...ltime=1&sort=w

Crazy how many more games Brady has had than even 2nd most all time (post 1970s era). Although his home winning % isn't anywhere near the top all time. 75% winning % over 40 games is nuts. Joe Montana only played in 23 playoff games. Manning is a paltry 11-8 at home in the playoffs. Most of the top guys all time are much more favorable at home.

Brady is 20-3 at home, 4-4 on the road, and 6-3 at neutral sites (Super Bowls).

Your link is counting five Super Bowls as home games (presumably odd years with a 2-3 record) and four Super Bowls as away games (even years with a 4-0 record).
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02-05-2019 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
^^ I was reading those stats yesterday, really cements that NE success is 85% Bellichik and 15% Brady - where multiple other QBs would have done at least as well.
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02-05-2019 , 03:00 AM
For a troll account that guy sure is salty
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02-05-2019 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Rodgers is obviously better than Brady.

Belichick with Rodgers would win every SB.
Rodgers in 2014 NFC Championship Game:

19/34, 178, 1/2

Brady in SB (two weeks later vs same team):

37/50, 354, 4,2

Belichick would prob have left NE if saddled with Rodgers. No heart vs real defenses.
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02-05-2019 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
Fine, you choose the metric. As long as it's not some nonsensical bull**** you're using to troll , it will say the same thing
Well, I mean since you love sample sizes of 6 games and under, let's go with Super Bowl rings. Which QB has the most of those?
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02-05-2019 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cornboy
Well, I mean since you love sample sizes of 6 games and under, let's go with Super Bowl rings. Which QB has the most of those?
I covered that in the post of mine you quoted...
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02-05-2019 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
I covered that in the post of mine you quoted...
I must have missed it. Who's got the most of those?
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02-05-2019 , 09:14 AM
In all seriousness, I get it guys. It's got to be frustrating for you to see the GOAT still dominate at 41. You've tried all the different tactics over the years
- Sort by Dome Stats
- Sort by Pizza Commercials
- Sort by phony laws of physics

Now you're down to (admittedly!) cherry picking 6 games, and sorting by who gets to play the Arizona Cardinals the most. You'll keep seeing Tom Brady hoist trophies and keep changing the goalposts for the GOAT. Next year it'll be touchdowns thrown in the Central Time Zone, or times benched for Osweiler (the higher the better) that you'll swear is the true measure.
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02-05-2019 , 09:41 AM
How can the success be 85% on Belichick when McDaniels is the OC? Brady is allowed to change the play at the line of scrimmage. You have to be able to read defenses properly. So how can you compare that to other QBs. Are there stats who measure that? How is it on Belichick that the Rams didnt cover Edelman the whole time. Hogan couldnt get open at all. Gronk was healthy but isnt the super dominant force anymore. Dorsett is good for one play each game.
Sure it wasnt his best game and if Gronk retires Brady probably should rethink his stance on retirement.
I find the replays great where they show the vision of the QB. That is really amazing insight but sure some of you can do the same in this situation when Suh and Donald come at you. The OL wasnt always that stable in recent years.

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