I was being facetious

There are no more Manning backers

I’m mad that being a colts fan had me blinded to the fact for more than a decade that Brady >>>>> Peyton ainec

Yep, my Peyton>Brady take was proven wrong years ago ago. Brady has the #2 spot for QB's locked up for a long time now.

Pssh, Manning is literally a HoF QB, is Brady???

peyton still way better


lol rangzz

Brady winning a SB with bums like Tom Moore and Clyde Christenson

I was told they are huge net negatives and must be overcome, weird

Some of these Manning and Brees fans will only respect Brady if he does it the “right way” - put up Dome Stats and then lose in the divisional round.

KobeHelicopter quality take.

It’s like a murderer’s row of morans

A Britt Reid Row, if you will.

Learn how to quote. I never wrote this.

Uhh yeah you did. It was obvious sarcasm because if Brady farted into a bottle you'd be the first to buy it for $500 a pop, but you did write it. See post 2014 of this thread

Wow, you got me. Definitely a sarcasm post. I wrote that 8 years ago and someone with a 2016 join date randomly decided to necro that? This entire thread is a dumpster fire, I'm genuinely confused.

What's crazy to me is that Brady is indisputably the GOAT, yet there was no point in his career where people thought he was clearly the best player in the game.

I'd say after '16-17 he was clearly considered the best by reasonable people. Even after '14 and '15 but I guess that was a little more debatable. This is after Manning retired, before Mahomes came in and Rodgers lull for parts of it. After '07 as well possibly.

That's just kinda football though, if it wasn't Brady then it would just be another QB that was never clearly considered the best at any one specific point and is still the GOAT.

It is just pretty rare to be thought of bar none the best in the league.

He was clearly the GOAT by this point but I think you're forgetting the whole "Is Garoppolo just as good as Brady" conversation - the Brady system QB theory was in full swing after the Patriots managed to go 3-1 with Garropolo/Brissett. By the time people have moved on from the theory, they quickly latched on to, well maybe Brady was great in the past, but how long can he keep this up?

Even during Brady's career, Peyton Manning (2003-2006), Aaron Rodgers (2011-2014) and Patrick Mahomes (2018-2019) all had multi-year stretches where they were more clearly considered the best QB than Brady ever was. Part of this is the Belichick/System narrative and part of this is that Brady never dominated statistically over a multi-year stretch, but it was kind of strange to me.

The savvy football fan has known he was the best in the league since the mid-2000s. It was just people fooled by dome stats or pizza/insurance commercials that thought otherwise.

Brady has benefited from running pretty well in high leverage moments, some of which (Vinatieri’s clutch kicking, Butler pick, Chiefs’ injuries, facing Dan Quinn) were entirely beyond his control. If he ran poorly in the playoffs and super bowl and only had 3 or 4 rings, then I don’t think he would be considered GOAT.

The facts are that he also clutched up massively in big moments repeatedly, and did so with supporting casts that were rarely best.

Even running the luck regression he still rates out #1. Many “great” QBs shrivel in big moments and big moments are definitionally more important than regular season game production.

I mean there's the tyree catch and moss' near catch

Yeah, he hasn’t run perfectly pure. Welker drop also comes to mind.

There’s also the component of playing QB that necessarily sublimates raw production to team success that makes lots of QB stats even advanced ones a bit misleading as to winning (only thing that matters).

Checking to runs against light box looks, throwing the ball away when warranted, etc.

In the Giants Super Bowls I believe there were either 4 or 5 total fumbles and NYG recovered all of them, which is very unlikely. Eagles Super Bowl obviously super tight. He’s as close to a 10-0 Super Bowl record as he is to 5-5 IMO.

I mentioned this briefly in another thread - the 2007 super bowl was wild. The Patriots went for it on 4th and 13 from the GIANTS 31 in the 3rd quarter. It was a dome game, no idea why they didn’t kick. It wasn’t late enough in the game where it was TD or nothing, and Gostkowski was great that year. 4th down failed and they lost by 3.