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11-01-2014 , 12:29 PM
It's more player movement than ball movement. I'm not too worried about the latter. If they continue to move and be active, the ball movement will come as they become familiar with each other and the scemes.
11-01-2014 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
Even if the Cavs sets had been "vanilla", what's the big deal? it's been two games. if you thought that after two games Blatt's full coaching repertoire would have been on display you were always going to be massively letdown.

He could very much end up being just a ****ty coach who happens to be smart enough to do things like 2 for 1 & foul up 3. But let's at least give him a few weeks to actually figure it out.
not that it's fatal, I just expected their halfcourt offense to look better and more natural even at this early stage.
11-01-2014 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mjw0586
Re: Cavs offensive schemes

People have been criticizing that Blatt's offense has been too vanilla. I went back and watched the Bulls game and saw quite a few things that I really liked. The schemes are there, the players just need repetitions until they're going to react quicker and better. There's a lot of ball and player movement going on, which makes this offense extremely difficult to defend.

Perimeter Corner Screen

This is a scary look if executed properly.



Kyrie brings the ball down, LeBron gets a screen to get him the ball at the top of the perimeter.



Varejao sets a screen for Irving and LeBron gives him a really good over the top pass to get him the ball with momentum going to the paint.



Because of the good screen, Rose is way behind Kyrie and Pau has to take Kyrie on himself. That should lead to an open path for Varejao to cut to the basket. You can see Noah and Dunleavy cheating towards the paint because they know Pau is going to have to guard a 2 on 1.



The problem comes here. Kyrie doesn't make a strong move to the basket to challenge Pau. Pau can now cheat off because Rose has recovered a bit and he has Noah behind him protecting the rim. That screws up Varejao's path to the basket quite a bit. The other thing to note is how Love has drifted back to the 3 point line and Waiters has drifted away from the corner to open some more space between the two.



Now, Love is open in the corner. Waiters continues to drift away from Love to create better perimeter spacing. LeBron is open at the top of the perimeter. Unfortunately, Kyrie's hesitation has allowed the Bulls to get in the passing lanes and he ends up forcing up a contesting jumper.

Now, if he doesn't hesitate and challenges Pau immediately, Varejao has a free path to the basket. If Noah covers that, Kyrie has an easy pass to Love in the corner. And then Waiters and LeBron are in perfect position for any swing passes based on how the Bulls rotate. If the Cavs continue to get reps with this look, good things are going to happen. They also used this look several times with Love as the screener to get him the ball on the wing with open space.

Double LeBron Screen

Here's another really nice look they execute this time around.



Dellavedova gets the ball to Love at the top of the perimeter and goes to set a screen for LeBron who is sitting in the corner.



Love comes toward LeBron, tosses him the ball and sets a screen on Dunleavy. Dellavedova drifts to the corner behind the 3 point line. Tristan Thompson is watching Dunleavy to set up the second screen.



Thompson sets the second screen. Love drifts to the 3 point line as well. This leaves LeBron 1 on 1 on Gasol with Dunleavy trailing. Noah can't over-help because he is left to guard Thompson. Noah and Rose have to now defend Thompson, Love and Dellavedova.



Thompson cuts to the basket which makes Noah commit to defending him. Now, Rose has to guard both Love and Dellavedova who are open for looks at a 3 pointer. If he cheats toward Love, it opens up the passing lane to Dellavedova. If he stays home too long, there's an easy pass for LeBron to get Love the open 3.



Pau cheats toward the basket to prevent the layup which gives LeBron an easy bank shot that he makes. Noah actually does a good job here somewhat getting into the Love passing lane. The Bulls actually defend this quite well, but it still results in an easy 2 points for Cleveland.
Almanac'd
11-01-2014 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
I'd take knight over rubio.
i wouldn't.
11-01-2014 , 01:25 PM
not that it's quantifiable or anything but good on court basketball chemistry takes a while to develop. They played probably the toughest defense on the road last night in their second regular season game. I don't know how good the cavs are going to be but their offense should be much better in a few weeks.
11-01-2014 , 01:26 PM
yeah man that's real good, thanks for that post mjw..
11-01-2014 , 01:47 PM
Why didn't the Cavs try to hold onto Alonzo Gee? He is pretty garbage overall, but he does have a little poor man's Bruce Bowen equity in him if molded in the right way. Seems like a low risk move for them at the league minimum.
11-01-2014 , 01:51 PM
One thing is that Blatt was very Popsesque with sitting guys in the preseason. Waiters and Dellavedova were the only rotation guys who got serious minutes, he generally sat at least one of the others each game.

Now, it's only two games, and I'm not worried about the offensive schemes(as mjw's excellent post shows). There's a lack of execution, there's some miscommunications, but the talent and the strategy are there.

I'm legitimately worried about Blatt being Thibs 2.0. He played what was functionally a 7 man rotation in the first game(Miller and Marion combined for 13 minutes), which was the first half of a back-to-back. Then he stuck with the same lineup for the last ~3 minutes of regulation and all of OT in the second game.

In the second half of a back-to-back that goes to overtime, he still only played 9 guys, and Miller and Marion combined for 27 minutes. I realize there's a pretty steep decline in the quality of player on what is ultimately a thin bench, but that's not an encouraging sign.
11-01-2014 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Why didn't the Cavs try to hold onto Alonzo Gee? He is pretty garbage overall, but he does have a little poor man's Bruce Bowen equity in him if molded in the right way. Seems like a low risk move for them at the league minimum.
He had a nonguaranteed contract that they needed to move to sign Lebron/trade for Love
11-01-2014 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
He had a nonguaranteed contract that they needed to move to sign Lebron/trade for Love
Ah that makes sense. I thought he could have been useful there to take some of the perimeter defensive pressure of Lebron. With so much offensive firepower they could afford to put him in lineups as an on-ball defender. He certainly passes my eye test defensively.
11-01-2014 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Really it's like the Heat dodged a bullet
:thumbup:
11-01-2014 , 02:24 PM
It's gonna take a lot more than two games for Love/Kyrie/LeBron to understand how each other play. That's why you're seeing AV have so much success and Bron having so many turnovers when passing to non-AV
11-01-2014 , 03:03 PM
That little white scrappy dude for the Cavs, what's his deal? Any good?
11-01-2014 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
That little white scrappy dude for the Cavs, what's his deal? Any good?
surprisingly not bad
11-01-2014 , 03:16 PM
delly's a surprisingly good defender, both on and off the ball. he's pretty perfect for the lebron-love-irving dynamic because he won't pull a waiters and jack shots like it's still last years roster. can hit threes and handle the ball as well as he needs to
11-01-2014 , 03:26 PM
Gonna be so many bad posts about Waiters and Delladova this year. Waiters is significantly better for all imaginable lineups.

Waiters is not chucking at all. He's been at a healthy very low 17.1 usage.

Delladova is attempting 6.7 fga per 100 possessions. That's not playing within the offense, that's being a worse version of Landry Fields and making your team play 4 on 5.
11-01-2014 , 03:27 PM
His usage is 5.5% lol. He could literally shoot 100% on threes at that usage and be a huge cancer to their offense.
11-01-2014 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Gonna be so many bad posts about Waiters and Delladova this year. Waiters is significantly better for all imaginable lineups.

Waiters is not chucking at all. He's been at a healthy very low 17.1 usage.

Delladova is attempting 6.7 fga per 100 possessions. That's not playing within the offense, that's being a worse version of Landry Fields and making your team play 4 on 5.
If you can shoot, it's 4 on 4, not 4 on 5. It's not like a Kyrie-Bron-Love team really needs the shot creation.

Agree that Dion's been mostly fine within the context of the offense. 5 midrange shots/game is too many, but I think that's largely been a scheme issue rather than Waiters freelancing. Once the offense starts flowing more, Dellavedova and Waiters should both get more good looks created for them. Team's 3PAr is too low in general.
11-01-2014 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
If you can shoot, it's 4 on 4, not 4 on 5. It's not like a Kyrie-Bron-Love team really needs the shot creation.

Agree that Dion's been mostly fine within the context of the offense. 5 midrange shots/game is too many, but I think that's largely been a scheme issue rather than Waiters freelancing. Once the offense starts flowing more, Dellavedova and Waiters should both get more good looks created for them.
I disagree with your assessment that he'll need to be closely guarded as long as he can shoot. That's for guys like Steve Novak who will fire at will when open. Delladova has not shown a willingness to do that. He's certainly not preventing people from helping on D at this point. He could start shooting more and become that but people won't guard you just because you can shoot if you won't
11-01-2014 , 03:54 PM
Well Novak is in a special tier of spacer, but Dellavedova (you're missing a syllable in his name, he doesn't deserve that disrespect) shot 4.4 3s/36 last year at 37%. He's at least in the tier that commands attention. I think he's generally pulled his defender away from the paint.

Strongly agree that he and the rest of the Cavs should have a quicker trigger finger with taking decent perimeter looks. Hopefully that improves when the team works out some comfort level with the overall possession share.
11-01-2014 , 04:01 PM
Dellavedova's also only played 48 total minutes this year. that super low usage is probably an abberation of SSS (although it's still going to be low, i doubt it stays that low).
11-01-2014 , 04:47 PM
i'm not buying the clips as contenders. Just throwing that out there. before taking a nap I had some keen insight as to why, but I can't recall it. But I trust it was correct.
11-01-2014 , 04:54 PM
probably cuz outside of their starting 5 (not sold on barnes being a good player) and crawford they suck. hawes sucks. hedo sucks. farmar sucks. CDR is horrible. bullock must suck or doc would play his ass.

they're missing that willie green leadership
11-01-2014 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
i'm not buying the clips as contenders. Just throwing that out there. before taking a nap I had some keen insight as to why, but I can't recall it. But I trust it was correct.
Ummm give me a team that you think is a notch below them

They're team is really well balanced and talented and coached well, what else do you want
11-01-2014 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
If you can shoot, it's 4 on 4, not 4 on 5. It's not like a Kyrie-Bron-Love team really needs the shot creation.

Agree that Dion's been mostly fine within the context of the offense. 5 midrange shots/game is too many, but I think that's largely been a scheme issue rather than Waiters freelancing. Once the offense starts flowing more, Dellavedova and Waiters should both get more good looks created for them. Team's 3PAr is too low in general.
Waiters should come off the bench while playing starter minutes

Mike miller or Shawn Marion to start depending on opposing matchup and how much u want lebron to go hard or relax on D

      
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