I think Hinkie is fine. The entire draft setup and max salary system is dumb and this particular approach was predicted and advocated in this thread. It's not his fault that two #1 talents both got hurt and other teams are dumb. It's the league's fault for being reactionaries without foresight.

Epitome of don't hate the player.

I think the ML Carr Celtics tanking for Duncan was far more shameful. Like he actually admitted sitting guys because they had a hot hand.

Embiid and Noel are very obvious picks for TZGM there imo

cp3 ain't top 3, melo ain't top 10.

Been saying for years CP3 ain't ****, Dirk passing Hakeem for 9th all time scoring is though.

top 10 looks something like this:

1. Westbrook
2. Boogie
3. TRG
4. Rudy
5. Kiwi
6. BWright
7. Brow
8. Bosh
9. Marcus Smart
10. Gerald Green

11. Post Lasik Minnesota Fats

cute

I really like this list, completely blanked on Bosh. Think Dwight's a tad low but meh. That 1-4 should be pretty much consensus at this point imo.

Haralabos Voulgaris @haralabob · 22m 22 minutes ago
Already there. RT @Scandal4Randle: @haralabob is kawhi Leonard on the verge of becoming a top 10 player or do I need to put the liquor down?

I saw on ESPN that Kobe broke the miss record tonight, scrolled down to the comment section and saw this gem.

Congrats to Kobe, that's a big deal

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. CP3
4. Brow
5. Dwight
6. Dirk
7. Bosh
8. Curry
9. Noah
10. Westbrook

John Havlicek is an all-time great.

13 time all-star.
4 time All-NBA 1st team.
5 time All-Defense 1st team.
1974 NBA Finals MVP.
8 championships (6 with Russell, 2 with Cowens.)

The only thing that keeps him from being the best small forward in Boston franchise history was that he was essentially replaced, with a one season gap, by a guy named Larry Bird.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...havlijo01.html

.492 ts%

18.5 shots per 36 at under 44%

how does no one tell this guy to stop?

This was pretty cool:

"Ben Golliver ‏@BenGolliver 2h2 hours ago
Dirk Nowitzki now No. 9 on all-time scoring list. He has 1,487 career 3PM. All other 7-footers among top-50 scorers combined for 71 3PM."

DIRK

That was probably above league average for the time he played in.

So you're saying Hinkie has more heart than TZ GMs.


Honestly, what he's doing is pretty awesome if you ask me.

ive posted this a million times but league average ts during those seasons was substantially lower. so a 49.2 ts seems awful (and in today's game, it is) but back then it was close to league average. (so it would be like a 55 today)

Just occurred to me that the real hero is Philly ownership.

There's probably a few GMs that would've played it this way. I suppose Hinkie gets some credit for selling this to the bosses.

Keep the context of the era in mind.

In 1969-70 the league average for points scored was 116.7 with no team averaging less than 111 points per game and the highest average per game was 121.9.

In 2013-14 the league average for points scored was 101.0 with 13 teams averaging less than 100 points per game and the highest average per game was 107.9.


In 1969-70 the league average for pace was 117.1 with the lowest pace for any one team being 111.6.

In 2013-14 the league average for pace was 93.9 with the highest pace for any one team being 99.2.


The three point arc was never in existence during Havlicek's playing days - not making its first NBA appearance until 1979-80 - the year after Havlicek's retirement. Havlicek was a jump shooter who took many shots beyond the current arc. It was a different game in Havlicek's era. Teams ran up and down the floor at an incredible pace - walking the ball up almost never happened. Many teams attempted to fast break off of made baskets. But don't let that make you think that teams didn't play defense. There were no flagrant foul rules at the time, and most squads employed a "no lay-ups" mentality. Hard fouls were commonplace.

Havlicek was highly athletic. He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns as a wide receiver, but he chose basketball. The man could play.

I mean they are managing straight-up like a fantasy team. And it's awesome.

not saying havlicek wasn't great but of the 128 guys who played 500+ games between '63 and '78, he ranks 74th in TS%. taking out bigs, he ranks 47th of 81.

of the pre-3p era, 30 non-bigs played 800+ games. havlicek ranks 24th.

by comparison with other "all-time greats" pre-3p:

oscar .564
west .550
clyde .542
chet .540
pearl .517
stumpy .514
sam jones .503
bing .502

of those 8, 7 shot over 45% from the field. pistol pete only played 566 pre-3p and shot a .502 ts%

word is that havlicek was a great defender and just have to take lolnarrative's word on that. his playoff dominance is worthy of praise, but he was largely inefficient and that's the comment to which you were refuting.

looking at those celtis teams, on another note, wow at nellie's efficiency: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...nelsodo01.html

Exactly this