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10-07-2018 , 08:55 PM
I don't think much will happen. It went from this is terrible moment for the UFC to not even 24 hours later the narrative seems to changed some. Conor seems to want the re match and he gets what ever he wants so I'm sure it will happen. I doubt Vegas will turn down the money the fight will bring in the re match so guessing there will be small suspension like a few months (time he would be off anyway to recover) and a fine.
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10-07-2018 , 10:10 PM
Conor is this generations Chuck Liddell. Super popular but an extremely overrated mma fighter based on a few lucky one punch knockouts. Will be lucky to not get hospitalized like lidell did at some point fighting actual high level guys like khabib in the future.
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10-07-2018 , 10:12 PM
Also Khabib/Ferguson for non mouthbreather ufc fan is a 10x more interesting fight.
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10-07-2018 , 10:41 PM
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the russian won, yes?

a lot of media coverage around here and it was mostly pro-mcgregor. but seems like a bunch of personal stuff which includes organized crime connections. w/e, if u can't backup all of your talk, f**k off
The Russian swept the double header
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10-07-2018 , 11:15 PM
I would have loved to see Dana open hisnpresser with a great big CHA CHING
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10-07-2018 , 11:28 PM
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Gonna put on my goof foil hat:

Dana is going to do everything short of outright begging the NASC to suspend Khabib for as long as possible. He will find any reason possible to get the belt and the focus back on Conor even after such a pitiful performance.

Dana deserves as much scorn as possible for being not only a ****heel human being but also a pretty awful promoter. If not for Conor falling into his lap he'd still be spinning his wheels.
Yeah he definitely didn't want to see Khabib win, especially in such a dominating fashion. Never seen anybody watch UFC and think that Dana White was not a complete douchebag.

It's weird watching Khabib fight because his style isn't entertaining in a fight of the year sense but it's amazing watching him manhandle every fighter he faces. He makes it look so easy. Even though Conor didn't match the hype at all, his ground defense was actually better than what most of Khabib's previous opponents had. He was actually able to stuff takedowns.

But those takedowns had an interesting effect. Conor really couldn't go hard at striking because of the fear of getting taken down. Once Khabib got that first takedown and dominated the first round, Conor knew that he couldn't leave himself open to one and it reduced his aggression when standing up.

Unless Ferguson is ungodly confident in his takedown defense, I think the same thing will happen to him. It'll look different. It might go the distance since I expect Ferguson to be harder to submit than Conor. Ferguson probably lands a few goofy looking strikes on Khabib throughout the fight. But otherwise, I think Khabib should be #1 p4p.

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10-07-2018 , 11:37 PM
SUB,

Look at Conor's hips. He was getting very little drive on his punches because he was so focused on keeping them back to avoid the TDs. For all the talk of Conor's talking getting in Khabib's head and making him fight differently, it seemed like it was Khabib's reputation that ended up changing Conors style.

I also noticed how much higher Khabib seemed to hold his right hand during the exchanges in the third. He took his striking training seriously. That KD punch was a complete winger (dipped head, wild overhand right) but his striking defense was legitimately impressive in this one.
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10-07-2018 , 11:44 PM
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Don't know why anyone who isn't a degen would be interested in a rematch. What about the fight itself suggests that a rematch would be any different and worth watching? This was a one-sided bout; it's really quite idiotic to think the post-fight stupidity justifies a second go. But there's probably a large section of the fanbase that does thrive on all the out-of-octagon nonsense and will lap up a rematch.
Have I ever watched UFC in a bar ? Did u not see tweets of fights erupting around Vegas ? That is the majority of the fan base. Hell, someone got shot in the head in died 3 miles from my house at the busiest , most upscale bar showing the fight in my area. It’s still being investigated if it was fight related .
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10-07-2018 , 11:49 PM
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Just because you're willing to shake hands with someone after a fight doesn't give you the right to say the the meanest, vilest, hateful crap about someone, their family, their religion, their country before hand. The ufc didn't do a thing in regards to McGregor. Yet Dana thinks what Khabib did was the worst of the worst. gtfo of here.

Has everyone forgotten when McGregor jumped into the Bellator cage and started pushing officials and a referee?
Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.
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10-07-2018 , 11:52 PM
I think Conor goes to WWE. Not much left for him in UFC and he's not just gonna retire. He will go to WWE for big money. Maybe he has one or two fights before then. (Diaz round 3 and ?). He will lose to Tony and Khabib rematch so i don't think he should do those fights. He will also lose to woodley 100 percent. Khabib will probably get visa ban so Conor will have to fight him in Russia.
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10-07-2018 , 11:54 PM
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SUB,

Look at Conor's hips. He was getting very little drive on his punches because he was so focused on keeping them back to avoid the TDs. For all the talk of Conor's talking getting in Khabib's head and making him fight differently, it seemed like it was Khabib's reputation that ended up changing Conors style.

I also noticed how much higher Khabib seemed to hold his right hand during the exchanges in the third. He took his striking training seriously. That KD punch was a complete winger (dipped head, wild overhand right) but his striking defense was legitimately impressive in this one.
His defense was one of my biggest concerns. The takedowns making Conor hesitate combined with his improved defense made him very formidable when standing up.

Those takedowns are nearly debilitating. Seems that you either have to score a lucky strike against Khabib or somehow be better on the ground than he is. I don't see how you can stuff every takedown attempt. Even if he initially misses, he's absolutely relentless in trying to take his opponent down immediately afterwards.

All Conor did was try to lure Khabib into over-committing and then counter with a straight left, hoping that one punch would do it. Pretty one-dimensional strategy and kind of embarrassing for a guy who was supposed to be the best MMAer in the world. Khabib probably saw that too and knew what to do to win.

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I think Conor goes to WWE. Not much left for him in UFC and he's not just gonna retire. He will go to WWE for big money. Maybe he has one or two fights before then. (Diaz round 3 and ?). He will lose to Tony and Khabib rematch so i don't think he should do those fights. He will also lose to woodley 100 percent. Khabib will probably get visa ban so Conor will have to fight him in Russia.
He'd have to be charged with a crime for that to happen and Conor didn't press charges, probably because he threw the first punch.

I can definitely see Conor going the Ronda Rousey route and giving WWE a go. He's got the attitude for it. He'd have to learn some pro wrestling moves. But if Ken Shamrock could go from MMA to WWE, I'm sure Conor could do it no problem.
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10-07-2018 , 11:58 PM
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Also Khabib/Ferguson for non mouthbreather ufc fan is a 10x more interesting fight.
Yeah but that won't sell among casuals which is a lot more money.

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I think Conor goes to WWE. Not much left for him in UFC and he's not just gonna retire. He will go to WWE for big money. Maybe he has one or two fights before then. (Diaz round 3 and ?). He will lose to Tony and Khabib rematch so i don't think he should do those fights. He will also lose to woodley 100 percent. Khabib will probably get visa ban so Conor will have to fight him in Russia.
UFC would offer more money than WWE for Conor and you have a lot more free time as a UFC fighter but Conor doesn't need to fight for money at this point.
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10-08-2018 , 12:13 AM
Conor vs anybody outsells Khabib vs anybody
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10-08-2018 , 12:15 AM
Conor should just fight the Diaz brother and maybe one more gimmick fight and then retire.
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10-08-2018 , 12:20 AM
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Conor vs anybody outsells Khabib vs anybody
I don't know. UFC is about to explode in Russia and it's obviously a more populous country than Ireland. Khabib was popular in Russia before this but beating Conor made him. The thing that might hold him is that he's Dagestani and they've been stereotyped by Russian media as terrorists.
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10-08-2018 , 12:22 AM
anyone hear how many ppv's it did?
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10-08-2018 , 12:28 AM
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Yeah but that won't sell among casuals which is a lot more money.



UFC would offer more money than WWE for Conor and you have a lot more free time as a UFC fighter but Conor doesn't need to fight for money at this point.
Can u provide more insight into Conoer’s personal,wealth and financial goals please ? Also how do u have this information? Also I’m not sure if money is his leading motivator.

Can anyone in Ireland or Russia provide some insight as to how this is being viewed in their homelands? I’m sure they loved even the second fight in Dagestan . The cheapshottermay even be viewed as a martyr. Does CMAC look like a soft lad over there ? I hope this doesn’t turn into a Boggy /Tupac kind of thing where one gets whacked.
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10-08-2018 , 12:29 AM
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anyone hear how many ppv's it did?
Only about tree-fiddy
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10-08-2018 , 02:48 AM
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It's a 50/50 fight & will be one of the best mma fights of all time.
Not 50/50, but he has alot more chance than mcgregor in a rematch for sure. Kevin Lee-khabib could be a very good fight to, but that wont ever happen.

Still think we'll all see these post fight-fights again in the promo for the rematch sometime next year if they arent to hard on khabib. Connor must be ****ting his pants though lol, he'll be alot more humble. He knows he went to far against to wrong people.
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10-08-2018 , 03:20 AM
Dont think I've ever been so eager to get the cage and corner audio released.
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10-08-2018 , 03:53 AM
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UFC is about to explode in Russia and it's obviously a more populous country than Ireland. Khabib was popular in Russia before this but beating Conor made him. The thing that might hold him is that he's Dagestani and they've been stereotyped by Russian media as terrorists.
Ireland isn't what made Conor explode in popularity around the world though. The casual fans latched onto Conor's personality along with his results and he became a PPV star. I'm a casual fan who has purchased four PPVs in the last two or three years. I bought Conor Vs Diaz 2, Conor Vs Alvarez, Nunes Vs Rousey, Cormier Vs Jones 2 and the other days PPV in Khabib vs McGregor.

I actually did know who Khabib was before this year but only because he was on the under card of one of my previous PPV's. In UFC 229 that I purchased I didn't know one single fighter on the entire card other than the main event. I'd now say I'm a fan of Derrick Lewis and Tony Ferguson and would enjoy seeing them fight again in the future but probably would never purchase a PPV that either of them were headlining.

An example in boxing might be what I witnessed happen in the Heavyweight division over the last two decades. After Mike Tyson and even before him the Heavyweight division was a huge PPV draw. We had Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis to name a few and all were big draws to the sport and division. Shortly there after the Klitschko brothers came along at the top of the division and I think the majority of casual boxing fans around the world started caring less about the division and even the sport until guys like De La Hoya, Roy Jones, Shane Mosley, and Floyd Mayweather started drawing mass appeal again to the sport at a lower division.

The UFC does have guys other than McGregor that draw appeal to the sport but not many that are going to drive huge PPV sales in the way that he does to the sport.

The best thing Khabib has going for him in the sport as a draw to the casual fans is his undefeated record. I've said it before but that's always been a net negative for promotions in the UFC. So many 15-6 type fighters. I think most casual fans of the fight game want to see Goliath face off against Goliath or David face off against Goliath but many of the draws in the UFC feel alot more mediocre. Unless those fighters bring something else to the table within their personality or maybe an unorthodox style in the cage most people aren't going to be willing to pay for it.
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10-08-2018 , 08:53 AM
Novice MMA watcher here. Probably watch 2-3 fights per year. So take this for what its worth. My takeaways from the fight:

- Conor's takedown defense was better than I thought it was going to be. Granted, I guess a lot of the defense he used was illegal (grabbing the cage and khabib's gloves etc.)

- There was a lot of the match that was fought standing up which I read was suppose to be a big advantage for Conor. I saw the striking play out as even or Khabib winning the stand up game. Is Conor that good of a striker or just a guy that has landed a few 1 punch knockouts?

In no way do I want to see a rematch of Conor vs Khabib. I cant imagine the fight itself playing out any different than what it was Saturday.

Post fight, Conor and his fight camp got what they had coming to them for a long time. Not just for this fight but all the previous fights. HOWEVER, that same thing that same trashing talking, cockiness and brashness is what makes his fight sell way more PPVs than any other fighters. So Khabib can complain and whine all he wants to about Conor getting to personal (which he may have) but is that going to stop him from cashing his check, which is probably at least 5 times his previous largest fight purse?

Finally, is there any chance, as little as it maybe, that the post fight stuff was all staged? I was a believer that the bus and Conor throwing a dolly at it was set up to sell this fight. Is there a possibility that the post fight stuff was to set up a rematch?

Also, some previous posts have mentioned Conor in the WWE. I dont see how a guy that weighs 155, maybe 165 walking around, fits in there. The cruiserweights in the WWE weight 190+. So not sure how that works.
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10-08-2018 , 09:13 AM
Conor's trash talk will never fit in with a pg era WWE anyway. Plus he's ego is so high he wouldn't sell moves or accept losing clean. I assume. Say what you want about Conor but the dude loves to fight. I can't see Conor going to the fake fighting organisation unless they pay him a huge one off check for some heavily scripted build up to one match which he wins.
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10-08-2018 , 09:15 AM
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His defense was one of my biggest concerns. The takedowns making Conor hesitate combined with his improved defense made him very formidable when standing up.

Those takedowns are nearly debilitating. Seems that you either have to score a lucky strike against Khabib or somehow be better on the ground than he is. I don't see how you can stuff every takedown attempt. Even if he initially misses, he's absolutely relentless in trying to take his opponent down immediately afterwards.
That 1st round takedown was ridiculous. With 4.30 khabib grab a leg in a terrible position, he released it when the bell rang 4 minutes later
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10-08-2018 , 09:29 AM
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- There was a lot of the match that was fought standing up which I read was suppose to be a big advantage for Conor. I saw the striking play out as even or Khabib winning the stand up game. Is Conor that good of a striker or just a guy that has landed a few 1 punch knockouts?
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Conor is a great counter puncher/average striker. 18 of his wins are by knockout. Like someone said he was neutralized by fear of Khabib taking him down. He knew there was nothing he could do after the first round.
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