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12-19-2015 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DannyOcean_
Conor has the chance to be one of the better fighters in UFC history, but he's not even close right now.
Utter nonsense. He's super close to best ever, if not there now.

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We got to see GSP/Anderson/etc go through their rise, their peak, and their fall. Conor looks new and shiny because we've only seen his rise/peak so far, but the fall will come eventually. Could begin next fight or could be years from now. That's when you can judge his place in history.

Until he gets a few more fights under his belt, it's pointless to compare him to the greats yet. Anderson won 12 title fights in a row, while moving up to 205 and beating a former champion there. He was the undisputed #1 in his weightclass for 7 straight years.
Dan Henderson in 2008 then Vitor later, look like Andersons only good wins to me. Lol at his joke fight vs Forrest Griffin.

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GSP won 12 title fights and was on top for ~6 years.
His opponents were trash. BJ Penn's fat ass should have been fighting at 135. Matt Hughes was an aging primitive wrestler. He ground humped everyone at the end of his career while taking years off between fights.

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Jon Jones has 9 title fight wins and has never been beaten except by the sport's rules. and so on for many other fighters.
Jones is good.

So many others...ugh no, this is everyone. These are the only guys in the conversation. Perhaps one could give some nostalgic props to Royce Gracie, but he's obviously...obsolete.

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Longevity matters. You can only be judged based on what you've done so far. If conor were to retire today and never fight again, he's not even top 10 all time for UFC fighters in terms of accomplishments.
If Conor retired today, it would be paramount to Barry Sanders' retirement, or Jordan leaving to play baseball.

The UFC has evolved. It started with a bunch of tard wrestlers who dominated for a long time. Just like every other sport, todays athletes are just on another level. Now we have real martial artists like John Jones and Conor who are 3 levels above everyone else.

If someone wanted to say Jones is better...eh...I'll suffer it. But, GSP and Silva are utter trash (who dominated old breed limited wrestlers by having just a decent stand up game, in addition to ground competence) in comparison to Conor and Jones.

Does anyone doubt that Conor could continue to KO everyone who dares weigh in at 145 while fighting one fight a year like your other heroes, and with ease? Of course not. He marched through his division like no other and killed the king in 13 seconds, in the modern era.

Years ago, people would tune in for the first time to see awesomeness, but instead became disillusioned with what was late night Cinemax-esque dry humping, except there were no chicks, just dudes. The MMA world was in desperate need for a real fighter.

Enter McGregor. Conor is basically Bruce Lee incarnated in a little Viking body. He's the living concept of the martial artist that everyone naturally would imagine if informed about this sport for the first time. He's given hope and elevated expectations, and will soon be the first fighter to ever sign a 9 figure contract.

Take away Matt Hughes, who cares about BJ Penn. LOL Randy Couture. But God have mercy on us if we ever allow this enlightened majestic being name Conor McGregor to have his name spoken without reverence by fools.
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12-19-2015 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Herbavorus_Rex
Utter nonsense. He's super close to best ever, if not there now.



Dan Henderson in 2008 then Vitor later, look like Andersons only good wins to me. Lol at his joke fight vs Forrest Griffin.



His opponents were trash. BJ Penn's fat ass should have been fighting at 135. Matt Hughes was an aging primitive wrestler. He ground humped everyone at the end of his career while taking years off between fights.



Jones is good.

So many others...ugh no, this is everyone. These are the only guys in the conversation. Perhaps one could give some nostalgic props to Royce Gracie, but he's obviously...obsolete.



If Conor retired today, it would be paramount to Barry Sanders' retirement, or Jordan leaving to play baseball.

The UFC has evolved. It started with a bunch of tard wrestlers who dominated for a long time. Just like every other sport, todays athletes are just on another level. Now we have real martial artists like John Jones and Conor who are 3 levels above everyone else.

If someone wanted to say Jones is better...eh...I'll suffer it. But, GSP and Silva are utter trash (who dominated old breed limited wrestlers by having just a decent stand up game, in addition to ground competence) in comparison to Conor and Jones.

Does anyone doubt that Conor could continue to KO everyone who dares weigh in at 145 while fighting one fight a year like your other heroes, and with ease? Of course not. He marched through his division like no other and killed the king in 13 seconds, in the modern era.

Years ago, people would tune in for the first time to see awesomeness, but instead became disillusioned with what was late night Cinemax-esque dry humping, except there were no chicks, just dudes. The MMA world was in desperate need for a real fighter.

Enter McGregor. Conor is basically Bruce Lee incarnated in a little Viking body. He's the living concept of the martial artist that everyone naturally would imagine if informed about this sport for the first time. He's given hope and elevated expectations, and will soon be the first fighter to ever sign a 9 figure contract.

Take away Matt Hughes, who cares about BJ Penn. LOL Randy Couture. But God have mercy on us if we ever allow this enlightened majestic being name Conor McGregor to have his name spoken without reverence by fools.
I like this guy.
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12-19-2015 , 07:30 AM
There's two things going on here with Herbie: I think we're using two different definitions of GOAT. If you want to talk about 'all old mma fighters sucked because the sport has evolved', that's one conversation. Fine? Then by definition the current champ is the GOAT 90% of the time. I'm talking about historical accomplishments, which is a different conversation. Some ~median ATP guy today would probably kill the best wooden racket player, but the best wooden racket player is still higher on the GOAT list for tennis than the ~median ATP guy is.

And then beyond that, lol at discounting anderson's wins. 2008 was not the dark ages. Were you actually around for the dark ages?

Anderson beat Rich Franklin, who was 22-1 and maybe the best MW ever when they fought, like a rented mule. Twice. Franklin was an elite fighter and it's re-writing history to say he wasn't. Anderson destroyed Dan Henderson, who was the other candidate for best MW of all time. He knocked Vitor Belfort into another dimension, and this is roided up Vitor too. Forrest Griffin was a top 5 LHW in a stacked time for LHW when he fought Anderson, and one fight removed from holding the LHW title, but re-write history to say he always sucked if you have to. That's five elite-level wins. Guys like Sonnen, Okami, Maia, Marquardt weren't elite but were very good fighters and quality wins.

And it's just super funny to see someone criticizing Anderson's wins when the point is to elevate Conor... if we're playing hardball on 'good wins' Conor has one good win in his career. Singular. The Aldo win is a pretty amazing accomplishment, but Conor's second best win in his career isn't as good as Anderson's 7th or 8th best win.

What's Conor's second best win? Beating a two-week-prep-time Mendes? Max ****ing Holloway? And we're criticizing Anderson Silva's resume? LOOOOOOOL. What kind of delusional cognitive dissonance went into that thought?

I can't believe we're at the point where Anderson Silva's career is being summed up as 'he beat up a bunch of bums and he just had decent stand up'. jeeeeesus. Do we really have to defend prime Anderson Silva as an elite fighter? I barely know how to respond to that idea.
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12-19-2015 , 07:40 AM
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Enter McGregor. Conor is basically Bruce Lee incarnated in a little Viking body. He's the living concept of the martial artist that everyone naturally would imagine if informed about this sport for the first time. He's given hope and elevated expectations...

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God have mercy on us if we ever allow this enlightened majestic being name Conor McGregor to have his name spoken without reverence by fools.
and this part just sounds like you desperately want his dick inside you.
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12-19-2015 , 08:27 AM
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and this part just sounds like you desperately want his dick inside you.
Lol

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Obviously DO is right, ffs he has been fighting in UFC for 5 mins and has won 1 title fight. Personally won't regard Mc as the best ever until he defends his belt a few times and then batters the LW division also. He'll need to do another job on Aldo and Frankie still waiting in the background to be taken care off.

What we've seen until now from Mc is that he has the gift of the gab and more than competent mma skills.

All the GOAT talk is just a wee bit premature and has a similar ring to Joe Rogan/UFC declaring Ronda the biggest and best mma star on the planet - fake as ****.
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12-19-2015 , 09:15 AM
Lol at no one even mentioning DJ yet
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12-19-2015 , 09:17 AM
P4P DJ is the best right now ainec. His division is somewhat shallow but the elite guys he has fought he dominated.
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12-19-2015 , 09:22 AM
Herbavorous Rex seems to embody all of the attributes of a prehistoric Rex as I understand them. That is, extremely aggressive with very little reach and a very very small brain.
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12-19-2015 , 02:56 PM
DO actually acknowledging Rex for anything other than his crush on Conor is wrong imo
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12-19-2015 , 03:37 PM
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DO actually acknowledging Rex for anything other than his crush on Conor is wrong imo
As uncomfortable as his gushing is, he proves one point though. I think most would agree that CM is the goat as far as being a cool mother ****er and champ. He may prove to be the goat fighter too, but he certainly has not yet. If he does though, the combo of charisma and skill may really be a once in a lifetime event.

I hope they test him.

And as far as the goat convo, fedor anyone?
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12-19-2015 , 03:52 PM
Just rewatched the Weidman fight. Pretty sure the ref should have stopped the fight. With around 40 seconds left Weidman starts getting hammered and he let it go to bell obviously.

Weidman's health was basically at mercy of ref in that spot which is super sick. Watching it again you realize how brutal it was. The slaughter starts 40, Joe Rogan is screaming "He's gonna stop the fight" with 27 seconds left and Rockholdz is looking at ref like Dude?
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12-19-2015 , 10:01 PM
This Diaz v Johnson fight well worth the admission fee.
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12-19-2015 , 10:04 PM
Goddamn Diaz is looking fantastic out there. Just scoring at will
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12-19-2015 , 10:07 PM
Lol the end.

Hahaha mental.
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12-19-2015 , 10:07 PM
LOL Rogan, "Diaz is still kicking him while he's down" uhhh Joe, Diaz was still clearly working on that heel hook after the horn

Ok, credit to Rogan, he switched to "Oh, Diaz was still working...he deserved it" after a replay
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12-19-2015 , 10:09 PM
diaz won round 2 hard

round 1 I lean Johnson,

3rd should be Diaz but he got nailed/simili-taken down at the end, great fight
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12-19-2015 , 10:11 PM
AHAHHAHAHAHA that post-fight on 5 second delay
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12-19-2015 , 10:11 PM
way to keep it stuck in his face then rogan you moron
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12-19-2015 , 10:12 PM
cutting a wwf style promo on mcgregor there
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12-19-2015 , 10:24 PM
Everyone calling out Conor, praying he'll give them the biggest payday of their career...
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12-19-2015 , 10:27 PM
Junior advancing 38% of the time v 8% for the Reem

Wtf????
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12-19-2015 , 10:30 PM
"Just barely it the cup"?

He annihilated those balls
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12-19-2015 , 10:30 PM
Most boring fight ever.
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12-19-2015 , 10:35 PM
I'll take that

2/1, not bad.
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12-19-2015 , 10:35 PM
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Most boring fight ever.
Aaaaaand BOOM
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