Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee? - Page 209 - Politics and Economics

The only guy that really scares me as a democrat is Christie. I think he actually has enough charisma to overcome the incumbent/economy-not-totally-in-the-****ter disadvantage. The other candidates' only chance is major downturn in the economy. Even if the economy tanks some more between now and the election, as long as people feel like it's not collapsing, or has collapsed, Obama probably wins.

Christie scares me because I'd strongly prefer a Democrat, but just based on his rant about the questions about that judge he also seems like the republican I might find the least horrible.

08-18-2011 , 11:42 AM

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Spladle

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I see the basic correlation, and think some of those comparisons are kind of spot on. But the one I disagree with is the most important. Reagan was way more electable than RP is. He had the intangibles that RP just doesn't have. From a strictly right/left/conservative/liberal basis they are very similar, but that isn't all that presidential elections are about(somewhat unfortunately).

I know of few words so worthless as "electable" and "intangibles." The conclusion maybe correct; the explanation of how you reached it is non-existent.

F-

08-18-2011 , 11:45 AM

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In any possible world where Paul wins the nomination he will have a good shot of winning the general election.

This

If the political landscape changed enough to allow a Paul victory in the primary, it would be changed enough for him to win the general. Only exception would be the collapse of the GOP to the point that whoever got the nomination was irrelevant.

08-18-2011 , 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Joss

In any possible world where Paul wins the nomination he will have a good shot of winning the general election.

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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger

You don't think Romney or Perry wouldn't lay out RP's black marks and do everything they could to scare republicans on RP's ideas. I think if RP could somehow win over the Fox news crowd then he could win over the ******ed independent voters.

It's a huge longshot that he wins the primaries but if he somehow does I don't think his chances would be any worse than Romney or Perry vs Obama.

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If the political landscape changed enough to allow a Paul victory in the primary, it would be changed enough for him to win the general. Only exception would be the collapse of the GOP to the point that whoever got the nomination was irrelevant.

08-18-2011 , 12:23 PM

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Looks like the EPA is the next ACORN...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/us...lines&emc=tha2

08-18-2011 , 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nyc999

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Can you blame the media? He isn't a new story. He's gotten himself above 10% now for maybe 3 weeks. He never exploded on the scene like Donald Trump who would reenter the race ahead of Paul. Paul doesn't take positions embraced widely, and disparages a lot of the positions of the people he is trying to win over. Why should anyone think they are going to vote for him?

That's leaving out the economic insanity, the racism, the religious hypocrisy on big government, and his age.

08-18-2011 , 12:49 PM

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The number one reason why the media and voters ignore RP is the way he looks and sounds. Once he passes the torch to somebody who looks like a POTUS, things might get interesting.

08-18-2011 , 12:53 PM

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Game, set, match. 2$/gallon gas for all.

08-18-2011 , 12:55 PM

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she could win though!

08-18-2011 , 01:15 PM

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Jesus, it's almost like a contest between the GOP frontrunners to see who can be the more whacko. Perry doesn't believe in climate change and Bachmann thinks she can magically make gas $2 a gallon. What next?

08-18-2011 , 01:18 PM

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Game, set, match. 2$/gallon gas for all.

This sort of thing reeks of desperation. Even Bachmann knows she's jumped the shark.

08-18-2011 , 01:37 PM

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How would Rick Perry (cause he looks likePOTUS) with either Ron Paul, Paul Ryan, or Herb Cain as Vice Presidential pick do against Obama in general election?

08-18-2011 , 01:40 PM

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Looks like the EPA is the next ACORN...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/us...lines&emc=tha2

I was excited until I read the story and realized the OP didn't mean the EPA had lost its federal funding and was being closed.

08-18-2011 , 01:42 PM

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http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

08-18-2011 , 01:44 PM

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Perry doesn't believe in man-made climate change and Bachmann thinks she can magically make gas $2 a gallon. What next?

FYP

Perry could be a disaster in the end, but he's saying all the right things to win this primary.

AGW advocates are not as numerous as they delude themselves into thinking they are.

08-18-2011 , 01:48 PM

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Obama and the Dems should really just give up on the whole invalidate Perry/Texas economy. They should simply focus on attaching "Tea Party" to Rick Perry's name and go for the true blue Democratic scare tactic...Tea Party Rick Perry as president = bye bye medicare/social security.

08-18-2011 , 01:49 PM

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How would Rick Perry (cause he looks likePOTUS) with either Ron Paul, Paul Ryan, or Herb Cain as Vice Presidential pick do against Obama in general election?

Too many dynamics to consider at this stage, imo.

But I have long thought that, when it comes to a running mate, the importance is not so much demographic or even one's policies, but what the selection says about the presidential candidate.

To take the most recent examples: I think that, by the time of the election, the Palin selection ultimately hurt McCain because it suggested, or even reinforced, a certain recklessness or pandering on his part. On the other hand, I think that the selection of Biden may have reassured some voters that Obama was going to be fairly cautious in his approach.

08-18-2011 , 01:49 PM

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How would Rick Perry (cause he looks likePOTUS) with either Ron Paul, Paul Ryan, or Herb Cain as Vice Presidential pick do against Obama in general election?

After the most negative campaign in the history of presidential politics Obama wins as long as unemployment is below 12 percent imo. VP's certainly don't matter but RP and HC are LOL imo. McCain choosing Palin would seem like political genius compared to those potential parings.

08-18-2011 , 02:08 PM

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Game, set, match. 2$/gallon gas for all.

Reminds me of the line from "Bananas," after the revolution, when the new leader declares, "all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old!

08-18-2011 , 02:18 PM

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You may get a quasi answer to that if Rand Paul runs in the future

Isn't Rand a sellout?

08-18-2011 , 02:23 PM

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This sort of thing reeks of desperation. Even Bachmann knows she's jumped the shark.

Stewart did a good bit on this last night. Sunday morning she was taking her victory lap on every news show, by Mon night she was already an afterthought to Perry.