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03-02-2012 , 10:12 PM
Of course the employer has a better bargaining position. The argument is about whether or not the woman who chose to work for a catholic institution was forced into working there.
03-02-2012 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
My boss says I'll be fired if I don't give him a BJ, am I being coerced?. We can play these semantic games all night, the bottom line is that it's lolbad to act as though the employers and employees are bargaining from a position of equal strength, which was Wookie's original point.
Sure, employers typically have more market power than prospective employees. But this is not universally the case (for instance with highly sought-after workers) is not necessarily a very large effect (i.e. it pales in comparison to a single monopoly employer saying "taking it or leave it") and even if it were all true does not make it coercion.
03-02-2012 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
The argument is about whether or not the woman who chose to work for a catholic institution was forced into working there.
At no point has that been the point, and it's not clear why she should have to choose between basic health care and having a law school career just because she wasn't coerced/forced into being a law student. What a great society you guys want to build, I wonder why the rest of the civilized world is doing exactly the opposite.
03-02-2012 , 10:16 PM
Explain to me how she has to choose between basic health care and being in law school?
03-02-2012 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
Of course the employer has a better bargaining position. The argument is about whether or not the woman who chose to work for a catholic institution was forced into working there.
The contraception issue is a worker protection law.
03-02-2012 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
Explain to me how she has to choose between basic health care and being in law school?
A law student couldn't afford contraception to treat polycystic ovarian syndrome and was denied coverage. Sucks for her, but she knew the risks associated with going to a Catholic school. I guess she should drop out of law school?
03-02-2012 , 10:21 PM
So the company is abusing her by not providing coverage of contraception?

Why can't she afford it?
03-02-2012 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
So the company is abusing her by not providing coverage of contraception?

Why can't she afford it?
Because it costs $80/month and she's spending all her money on law school.
03-02-2012 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Because it costs $80/month and she's spending all her money on law school.
So there is absolutely no way for her to spare 80 dollars our of her budget? To tell me someone is capable of going to law school but not capable of getting a job or shaving 80 dollars a month out of their budget is absurd.
03-02-2012 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
So there is absolutely no way for her to spare 80 dollars our of her budget? To tell me someone is capable of going to law school but not capable of getting a job or shaving 80 dollars a month out of their budget is absurd.
03-02-2012 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
A law student couldn't afford contraception to treat polycystic ovarian syndrome and was denied coverage. Sucks for her, but she knew the risks associated with going to a Catholic school. I guess she should drop out of law school?
She could just pay the nine bucks at Wallyworld.
03-02-2012 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
A law student couldn't afford contraception to treat polycystic ovarian syndrome and was denied coverage.
I don't know anything about this person but I am 100% certain that she could have afforded it if she really wanted it. She chose having more money and/or other luxuries instead of having her pills.
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Sucks for her, but she knew the risks associated with going to a Catholic school. I guess she should drop out of law school?
No. She should make some sacrifices to save enough money to buy the pills. But if she is unwilling to do that, then yes, she should drop out of law school, or preferably transfer to a law school that will give her what she wants. What she should emphatically not do under any circumstances is act as though she is entitled to free birth control pills because she, like, really needs them.
03-02-2012 , 10:30 PM
I want 80 dollars a month, too. I'm sure everyone in America does. Well, in this case she really needs them for a medical reason, but she could still easily afford them if she wanted to make them a priority. Personal responsibility is like a swear word around these parts.
03-02-2012 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Because it costs $80/month and she's spending all her money on law school.
But it doesn't and you are a liar.

http://i.walmart.com/i/if/hmp/fusion...icdruglist.pdf
Under Women's Health on Page 5.
03-02-2012 , 10:31 PM
Also, this religious angle strikes me as a bit of a disingenuous stretch. If we're going to say that Georgetown U is a "religious institution" and that not covering birth control pills to women with ovarian cysts is part of their belief system, then I should be able to say that my restaurant chain is a religious institution and being forced to provide dental is a violation of my religious freedom.
03-02-2012 , 10:33 PM
Trolly,

You are 100% right, which gets to the fundamental issue at hand.
03-02-2012 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Also, this religious angle strikes me as a bit of a disingenuous stretch. If we're going to say that Georgetown U is a "religious institution" and that not covering birth control pills to women with ovarian cysts is part of their belief system, then I should be able to say that my restaurant chain is a religious institution and being forced to provide dental is a violation of my religious freedom.
Eight short studies on excuses

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You respond "Although my policies may seem to be saying religion is more important than other potential reasons for breaking a rule, one can make a non-religious case justifying them. One important feature of major world religions is that their rituals have been fixed for hundreds of years. Allowing people to break laws for religious reasons makes religious people very happy, but does not weaken the laws. After all, we all know the few areas in which the laws of the major US religions as they are currently practiced conflict with secular law, and none of them are big deals. So the general principle 'I will allow people to break laws if it is necessary to established and well-known religious rituals" is relatively low-risk and makes people happy without threatening the concept of law in general. But the general principle 'I will allow people to break laws for recreational reasons' is very high risk, because it's sufficient justification for almost anyone breaking any law."

"I would love to be able to serve everyone the exact meal they most wanted at state dinners. But if I took your request for pasta because you liked pasta, I would have to follow the general principle of giving everyone the meal they most like, which would be prohibitively expensive. By giving Jews kosher meals, I can satisfy a certain particularly strong preference without being forced to satisfy anyone else's."
Though I would agree that a restaurant chain shouldn't be required to provide dental care anyway.
03-02-2012 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Also, this religious angle strikes me as a bit of a disingenuous stretch. If we're going to say that Georgetown U is a "religious institution" and that not covering birth control pills to women with ovarian cysts is part of their belief system, then I should be able to say that my restaurant chain is a religious institution and being forced to provide dental is a violation of my religious freedom.
You aren't forced to provide dental care to your employees.
03-02-2012 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sards
I don't know anything about this person but I am 100% certain that she could have afforded it if she really wanted it. She chose having more money and/or other luxuries instead of having her pills.

No. She should make some sacrifices to save enough money to buy the pills. But if she is unwilling to do that, then yes, she should drop out of law school, or preferably transfer to a law school that will give her what she wants. What she should emphatically not do under any circumstances is act as though she is entitled to free birth control pills because she, like, really needs them.
It's not just about the money, dudes. Like, I guess you think that a school that purports to give health insurance can just deny coverage for anything they don't feel like covering?
03-02-2012 , 10:37 PM
So far we've talked about coercion and service industries not being able to do what they want because of the government, I wonder what topic could come up next......
03-02-2012 , 10:39 PM
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You respond "Although my policies may seem to be saying religion is more important than other potential reasons for breaking a rule, one can make a non-religious case justifying them. One important feature of major world religions is that their rituals have been fixed for hundreds of years. Allowing people to break laws for religious reasons makes religious people very happy, but does not weaken the laws. After all, we all know the few areas in which the laws of the major US religions as they are currently practiced conflict with secular law, and none of them are big deals.
I mean come on. Calling Georgetown Law a "religious institution" is like calling Taco Bell a "restaurant" let's drop the religion angle.



In other news, Rush is continuing to stay classy:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203020014
03-02-2012 , 10:39 PM
They are allowed to deny coverage for infinite things, but many people think denying birth control is against the rules.
03-02-2012 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
They are allowed to deny coverage for infinite things.
False.
03-02-2012 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
It's not just about the money, dudes. Like, I guess you think that a school that purports to give health insurance can just deny coverage for anything they don't feel like covering?
So long as it's not retrospective. If the fine print says "we don't cover contraceptives" or "we only cover X", then tough titties.
03-02-2012 , 10:42 PM
Are they allowed to deny coverage for certain things?

      
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