You're right that I think contraceptives should be covered. This is why someone like Fluke should have been allowed to give testimony before congress. That way there could have been an actual discussion on the issues.

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Wait, didn't you agree that the non-contraceptive use argument was a pointless sideshow?

They're not denying medical necessities. They're just declining to pay for it. As are millions of other people. And of course these people are still free to purchase those medical necessities with their own money.

No. I agree that it is not the crux of the issue. The primary reason is that women deserve coverage for contraception and employers don't have the right to deny that coverage because they realllly like this old book.

I think the non-contraceptive issue, while not the primary argument, is still a serious and important element of this issue as a whole. The pill provides a plethora of benefits to women for a plethora of serious medical ailments. For some women the pill completely changes their lives for the better. They should not have to justify their use to some random religious demagogue.

They are declining to pay for it, not because of cost, but because they don't approve of the medicine. I don't think that's a justifiable reason. I don't think someone who provides insurance should be able to pick and choose what is covered based on a book full of myths. It's been shown that allowing this kind of latitude is very dangerous.

Personally, I would say calling a female a slut is nearly as bad as calling a black person a "insert n word".

Maybe worse actually, since people don't see it as being as bad.

That's completely fair. It's def a bad word to use to describe another human being. But, like the n-bomb, I don't think it's concrete evidence that a person is a racist or a misogynist or anything like that.

My standard ITT is someone leveling the charge of "slut" without any evidence to even meet the dictionary definition of the word.

I'm pretty disgusted by the misogyny that's come up ITT. Like, OOT-style objectification of women based on their looks isn't exactly dignified, but it happens and society is pretty numb to it. The vitriol this woman has attracted for having the audacity to disagree with a bunch of middle aged white dudes about what constitutes a basic minimum standard of medical care that should be included with any insurance plan is shocking and disheartening.

Men are assured of having all of their basic medical needs covered. For women, there's a glaring omission, and the answer is just "Suck it up and pay extra, ladies. Sucks to be you?"

I guess the next outrage ITT will be that men and women usually pay the same for health insurance, but women are the only ones who give birth, ergo men are paying extra. Subsidies! Entitlement!

are people really dumb enough not to understand that the cost of society for unwanted babies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of birth control pills

look at europe pregnancy rates vs the us, ffs

not to mention all the bull**** analogies people have tried to make... haircuts, lol... far too many people ITT who are embarrassingly stupid when it comes to women's health

finally, the biggest lol has got to be acting like sex is some crazy thing/a liberal conspiracy. hahahhahahahahhaha

I approve of this sentiment.

Did the Democratic party suspend him? I don't think Rush has a boss but he may have to answer to advertisers if they perceive they are hurt by his comments.

Fluke's testimony causes people to focus on $1000 per month and the poor girl who had to have her ovary removed. Valid points, but at the end of the day, just tangential ones. I have no problem with her mentioning them. In fact they should be mentioned. But what shouldn't happen is to draw attention from the main issue.

Liberal talkers like Ed Schultz, Norman Goldman, and Randi Rhodes constantly make inflammatory comments about republicans. Too bad it never gets into the public eye because they are all hypocritical morons with a faithful audience of government employees that would prob fill a middle school gym.

Wookie trying to bang Fluke itt imo.

How is the Democratic party supposed to suspend him. If he wants to register to vote as a Democrat, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about that.

lol

the more republican rhetoric i hear these days the more convinced i become that they are ****ed as a party once all the old folks start dying

they don't even have legit positions anymore, imo... just "EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE 1950 IS BAD... EXCEPT REAGAN"

Birth control costs how much? $3,000/Year? $3,000 for 4 years?

Planned Parenthood website says $15-$50/month, so $600 per year at a maximum?


She was not permitted to testify about free contraceptives at a hearing on the RELIGIOUS CLAUSE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

As usual liberals tout the 1st amendment when it benefits them, and decries it for some obscure greater good when it doesn't.

Religions are not permitted to do whatever they want in the name of religious freedom.

Presidents are not permitted to unilaterally dictate under the US Constitution.

False, lol

That's why I said someone like Fluke. Rush chose to single out Fluke because she is weak and just a female student. He would not attack a strong figure like this, he's a bully. If the democrats or myself could have chosen someone to put on that panel they would have selected some major OBGYN figure with a bunch of degrees and an excellent resume. Fluke has some good arguments (this is not a complicated issue, science vs an old book) but she is not the greatest person to put on the stand for this issue.

What if they pick and choose based on some other arbitrary reason?

Was in response to this:


There is no question Rush should apologize, and language like this by either side should be below everyone's standards.

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GGI,

Let me know why the Republicans denied the TV equipment to broadcast Fluke's testimony.