The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. - Page 523 - Politics and Economics

I'm sure our libertarian hero Rand Paul will step in and put his foot down on this. OH WAIT, we all knew about it well before Sesssions' confirmation and yet he voted to confirm. Also knowing that he was for civil asset forfeiture.

02-23-2017 , 04:41 PM

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.Alex.

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Right wing nut job who is pro-choice, pro 4th amendment, anti-war, pro gay marriage, pro drug decriminalization, pro-refugee, pro-immigration (legal and illegal).

Then why are you such an Obama hater?

Democrats (though they are far from perfect) are about a million times better than republicans on these issues. Yes or no?

02-23-2017 , 04:43 PM

#13054

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by .Alex.

Then why are you such an Obama hater?

Democrats (though they are far from perfect) are about a million times better than republicans on these issues. Yes or no?

Obama's black though

02-23-2017 , 04:44 PM

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markksman

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I know a few pro pot legalization and regular smokers who voted for trump. Lol dummies.

02-23-2017 , 04:44 PM

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markksman

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Obama's black though

but NOT RACIST

02-23-2017 , 04:48 PM

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.Alex.

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Originally Posted by einbert

Now that they have even ceded free trade, Republicans are more libertarian than Democrats on literally 0 issues other than guns.

02-23-2017 , 04:50 PM

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fatkid

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Remember all the people who told us Trump wouldn't be so bad for LGBT?

Spicey just said TRUMPS not a hater it's about states rights bro.

02-23-2017 , 04:50 PM

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einbert

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Yeah because states have always been so great about enforcing controversial civil rights legislation (in this case Title IX) :eyeroll:

02-23-2017 , 04:51 PM

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Sebastian Gorka, whose views on Islam have been widely labeled extremist, called noted terrorism expert Michael S. Smith II in South Carolina and expressed dismay that Smith had been criticizing him on Twitter, according to a recording of the call provided to Newsweek.

“I was like a deer in the headlights,” Smith, a Republican who has advised congressional committees on the use of social media by the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) and al-Qaeda, tells Newsweek. “I thought it was a prank. He began by threatening me with a lawsuit.”

Gorka apparently used his personal cell phone, with a northern Virginia area code, rather than making the call from his White House office or government-issued cell phone, where it would be officially logged, Smith says. The terrorism expert says he suspected Gorka “was trying to conceal the call.”

http://www.newsweek.com/sebastian-go...l-559805?amp=1

02-23-2017 , 04:52 PM

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02-23-2017 , 04:52 PM

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General Tsao

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Originally Posted by .Alex.

Then why are you such an Obama hater?

Democrats (though they are far from perfect) are about a million times better than republicans on these issues. Yes or no?

I supported Obama over McCain.

"better than Republicans" is a hell of a standard!

Obama's administration led to the chaos that caused the refugee crisis, he committed acts of war without Congressional approval in numerous countries and supported regime change, and his drone war killed thousands, probably creating more terrorists seeking revenge. Oh, and he was labeled the "deporter in chief" for deporting more illegal immigrants than any other administration before him). Oh also the NSA spying on everyone under his watch.

More negative marks for letting tax cuts expire, Obamacare, increasing the power of executive orders.

A+ for pardoning non-violent criminals, and Chelsea Manning.

And...I guess....for accepting some of the refugees his foreign policy helped create....?

02-23-2017 , 04:52 PM

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AllTheCheese

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Everyone knows "states rights" is code for legalized bigotry, has been for literally centuries, so in a sense Spicer is being honest.

02-23-2017 , 04:53 PM

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wheatrich

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trump thinks the US needs more nukes. WAAF

02-23-2017 , 04:53 PM

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What was Obama supposed to do in Syria to prevent any refugees? How is the entire refugee crisis his fault? What about the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, global climate change, and general global unstability?

02-23-2017 , 04:55 PM

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General Tsao

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Oh yeah, that reminds me, before being President, Obama voted to fund both Iraq/Afghan wars, and voted for a border fence.

As far as Syria, not propping up rebels would have been a good idea.

02-23-2017 , 04:56 PM

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yeSpiff

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-23-2017 at 05:03 PM.

02-23-2017 , 04:57 PM

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RV Life

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So the Trump Admin plan is build a wall, spice up ICE, and crack down on pot. All with a federal hiring freeze. How exactly are they planning on doing this?

The ****ed up part is the Trumpkins love this ****. Well, except maybe the pot part.

02-23-2017 , 04:58 PM

#13069

surfinillini

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Did anyone see this article on Politico? Someone hacked Manafort's daughter's phone threatening blackmail for Russia/Trump connections???

Manafort faced blackmail attempt, hacks suggest

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-trump-235275

02-23-2017 , 05:00 PM

#13070

.Alex.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Obama's administration led to the chaos that caused the refugee crisis, he committed acts of war without Congressional approval in numerous countries and supported regime change, and his drone war killed thousands, probably creating more terrorists seeking revenge. Oh, and he was labeled the "deporter in chief" for deporting more illegal immigrants than any other administration before him). Oh also the NSA spying on everyone under his watch.

Ok but again, why the hell are you mocking people for freaking out about someone who is going to do this but x1000 worse??

Quote:

"better than Republicans" is a hell of a standard!

The point is that there is a huge difference between the two and you know it. And when that one party controls all 3 branches of government + supreme court + state legislatures, you have to take what you can get. loll'ing at people who are extremely concerned about this isn't fair or helpful in the slightest.

02-23-2017 , 05:03 PM

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rockfsh

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

this president is the truth unlike fake news media

spicer regarding the phrase military operation wrt deportations
"don't take him literally"

It's an adjective??

02-23-2017 , 05:04 PM

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einbert

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The ****ed up part is the Trumpkins love this ****. Well, except maybe the pot part.

First they came for the Muslims, then they came for the African Americans, then they came for the pot smokers.

02-23-2017 , 05:05 PM

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Oh yeah, that reminds me, before being President, Obama voted to fund both Iraq/Afghan wars, and voted for a border fence.

As far as Syria, not propping up rebels would have been a good idea.

I mean, if you're saying Obama made mistakes, I agree with you and I think most people on this board do as well. But blaming the entire Middle East crisis on Obama is pretty ridiculous. Particularly in Syria, I don't see what the perfect option there was.

02-23-2017 , 05:06 PM

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shpanko

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Originally Posted by .Alex.

Ok but again, why the hell are you mocking people for freaking out about someone who is going to do this but x1000 worse??

The point is that there is a huge difference between the two and you know it. And when that one party controls all 3 branches of government + supreme court + state legislatures, you have to take what you can get. loll'ing at people who are extremely concerned about this isn't fair or helpful in the slightest.

Excellent post. Tsao why don't you spend your posting energy fighting against the autocratic actions of the Trump establishment instead of mocking liberals for "not being more freaked out" in the past? These "freaked out liberals" are arguing for the same things as you (purportedly) are on a lot of topics yet you prioritize mocking liberals instead of advocating for your beliefs / identifying how the current administration is not representing those beliefs.

02-23-2017 , 05:14 PM

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weeeez

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

I know I'm not really helping by being annoying. I think it's going to take some time before I'm willing to accept liberals being critical of the executive again. I really am actually thrilled to see it, but the petty side of me is currently winning.

this is why.
cliff:he mad

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