We have a chezlaw poster (marn) who has this as their favorite subject and 100% believes it.

thoughts and prayers for the people of sweden going through these tough times

itt people want to be so much right that they are derailing at no cost.
you guys are doomed.

There are no 'chezlaw' posters and that sort of non PC claim is not acceptable in Pv7.0 whether Marn believes it or not.

Most religions share those tenants which is why all religion is poison. However, they do not all share them to an equal degree.

This "president" just ran on and is implementing a totally anti-Muslim platform. It's totally relevant.

All that matters is how a faith is practiced, not what pratictioners should do in theory. This is why we all make jokes about Trumps Christian followers being the least Christ-like people.

There is this very bizzare reaction among the left to bend over backwards to defend Islam simply because the right attacks Muslims. This is backwards.

Defend Muslims, not Islam.

one of the greatest tragedies of this whole donald trump affair is that somehow chez acquired mod status and i cant ignore his posts anymore

So you agree with me then that we shouldn't paint ISLAM as anti-women, sectarian, etc. just like I wouldn't try to paint CHRISTIANITY as anti-women, anti-minority, fascist, etc. right?

Because this is what you said earlier:

He just made posts along those lines this week without so much as a green text warning IN A THREAD YOU WERE ACTIVELY READING AND MODDING, but what a bizarre ****ing addendum.

Even here, you have to defend your boy by hedging and saying he maybe doesn't believe it? (p.s. where you're going to end up with this is, 100%, that he does believe it but there's nothing racist about thinking Somali immigrants are ruining Sweden, chez)

LOL chezlaw you should seriously sticky a list of your sufficiently racist friends that get preferential treatment, it's very confusing for the tiny handful of non-bigots who still post in your forum to know who has protected status.

No, both religions have core tenants which are misogynistic, homophobic and overall socially repressive. Political history of each faith however has made these tendencies worse among the current practitioners of Islam than Christianity.

We are debating degree, not kind.

It's an odd position you keep trying to assert. You seem to be suggesting that no faith is better or worse than any other in terms of social repression. Surely you don't really think this. Do you think Scientology is no better or worse than Buddhism?

I have no interest in which is better or worse. I'm an atheist and I think all religious dogma falls short of the truth.

I don't know that I've ever had a discussion about abortion with a pro-life person irl. How do these people attempt to reconcile the belief that it would be inhumane and immoral to abort an unborn fetus, but not inhumane or immoral to discriminate against that same fetus once it is a child or adult if it is born a Muslim in the Middle East?

I'm not putting anything past these people so perhaps they are ok with Muslim babies being aborted in the ME or have other explanations, but I'd be curious to hear them. Do they ever even attempt to justify why all unborn fetuses should have equal treatment, but once they are born that goes out the window?

What do you mean by 'sharing them to a degree'? Are you not just echoing what I'm saying about theory versus practice? It's trivial to imagine a Christian culture matching or outstripping the ME in these terms. The difference between Islamic and secular-Christian cultures is one of emphasis.

You could also ask them what the practical effects of making abortion illegal would be. Hint: there wouldn't be zero abortions.

We are agreeing here. In no way am I defending Christianity.

The comparison between Islam and Christianity is causing confusion in this discussion. It's clearer if we compare Islam and Buddhism.

One doesn't need to read the great novel The Handmaids Tale to find a Christian dystopia. One happened yesterday in Florida.

It will be great. Just like China, where you can't breathe or drink the water, and if people are exposed to enough lead (as they used to be in the US) their cognitive decline will be so significant they will eventually support a Trump-like figure.

Agree with Clovis8 and Harris, but this isn't really the thread for it.

what means ME?

uhh, dude no way. we are alive in the most prosperous and comfortable period in the history of human existence. we are pretty damn lucky.

Why is this not blowing up more ? Imagine if that Rosneft deal ends up being only partially true... He'd have to resign, right?

How do lie through your teeth like that chezlaw? Have you lost all shame? Dude literally made a thread about this in your forum. No shame at all just gaslighting for racists for going on 3 years now?

Yeah. Not only that but the United States, with all its economic problems (wage stagnation, labor problems, wage theft, discrimination, sometimes not so great working conditions, long working hours), is a ****ing DREAM compared to being a working-class person in China, Pakistan, Thailand, or even Greece. These people who want to "shake things up" and are willing to sacrifice our stability on every level to do it seem to lack any kind of perspective of what is happening or what is possible. You don't even have to leave the United States to find communities where lack of environmental protection has been completely devastating (Flint, Michigan) or where authoritarian law enforcement has caused massive problems (Ferguson, most state prison systems, police departments around the country, courtrooms around the country where sentencing is racially discriminatory and draconian) and yet that is the direction a lot of people want to go in. It's truly bizarre.

My first impulse when I see this sort of stuff is to laugh, because it's pretty funny when people are caught in blatant lies, especially when it's people that are supposed to be respectable. But this is actually quite disconcerting, because of how powerful he is and how he doesn't know anything about anything. It will probably be trivial for the russians to manipulate him into doing something that gives them a huge advantage over us without him realizing it.