Well in England it's mostly the BBC and they are owned by the people. They are ridiculously corrupt. It's a joke and the people responsible should be arrested.

Unfortunately our current government love the BBC, and hire a whole lot of BBC staff to work for them. The two are heavily in cahoots.

NARRATOR: "They weren't interested"

Do it man!

I'll do everything I can to help. And I'll put up all my contributions on the site! I suspect many people will do the same.

Russians have been blowing a lot of people up in Syria.

Government subsidized BBC:



Private entity Fox News:

Lol, I wasn't sure how interesting it would be outside of England

Defending isn't the same as attacking though. They are blowing up those who are attacking the innocent people of Syria.

You might be interested to hear that's not true.

See also the Marcel Mauss classic The Gift. I think Graeber's work is an extension of Mauss.

You don't think there was a large element of xenophobia in the Leave vote?



If anything the BBC underreported the levels of racism in their desperation to be "balanced".

Disagree. They are defending their economic and military interests and that's the bottom line. In keeping with that they have massively bombed all opposition to the deeply authoritarian and brutal regime that supports their interests with no regard for the legitimacy or morality of their targets and little or no regard for civilians.

What did you see happening and what change did you want? Almost everything points to the vote being about immigration. The main politicians supporting Brexit all pushed an anti-immigration campaign, and some of the ads were basically explicitly racist. Similarly, polls asking people why they voted for Brexit all pointed to immigration as the number one reason.

I guess if your trying to make some point that hating immigration and immigrants isn't racist, that's a pretty fine line to be drawing (and is basically the same line that Trump supporters try to draw - and then redraw when Trump passes new laws/makes new statements that push that line a bit closer to explicit racism).

Like they did in Libya? Speak to someone from Libya and they will tell you that all Gadaffi really did wrong was piss off the west. And the way he did that was by saying that the western world was going to blow them all up one by one.

The warmongers clearly had no care for the people. That is not the reason they attacked.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...es-his-revenge

I don't know if there is anyone remaining on the right who really gives a **** about policy and governing, but you'd thinking some of these billionaires out there want tax cuts and whatever, and see the Presidency as more than just part of a media grift.

That is, it's intriguing how much the media grift and governing are now one and the same. This is just the Long Con come to the White House. They aren't fighting over policy, they REAL battles inside the White House are all about deplorable eyeballs and clicks.

What's Libya got to do with it? You mean the fact that the West does similar things? That doesn't mean Russia is not being evil in Syria.

Nah, just don't trust the polls. There were a lot of people here who were against immigration but that's hardly surprising when the only thing the papers spoke about was racism.

It was very similar to the Trump thing. A lot of people in America voted for Trump because he promised to make friends with Russia and end all those troubles. The media just twisted it and made them all look racist.

We want to see change. We want to end the troubles in the world. We atleast want to stop contributing to them. That's why so many people have gotten behind Corbyn. And why Corbyn didn't try very hard at all to get people to stay in the EU.

Smaller organisations change faster. That's the key to it.

Zero people in America voted for Trump because he promised to make friends with Russia.

Lol

I am not fully behind Russia. But the west clearly is taking out one country after another. If Russia is opposing that, then they are not as bad as the ones causing it.

The west killed millions of children in the last few decades with these wars. I heard that 500,000 under fives have been killed in Iraq. All those dark leaders combined didn't do anything even nearly as bad as that. Surely in this you must agree. And so surely you must agree that war is a terrible way to solve a problem like that.

Saving the people was never the plan.

That earplugs thing can't be true? That would make him blind, deaf and dumb! It's too much, you simulation running ****ers.

This is the Trump thread, dude. Take your rambling to more appropriate thread.

That's a really foolish statement.

I was just answering questions dude... But I am pretty sure the western world attacking all these countries has quite a lot to do with Trump. I don't find the ear plug thing very interesting, but by all means, speak over me.

I think you're about half right. I don't really see the need to compare atrocities, but Russia's, Syria's, Iraq's, Saudi Arabia's, Afghanistan's and others are all quite atrocious, sometimes in alliance with and sometimes opposed to Western interests.