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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
What did you want the US government to do in, say, 1995? Clinton did not have a hot tub time machine as far as i know.
Is that a trick question?
Stop participating in terrible crimes. For example, are you aware of the U.S. participation in the atrocities in Indonesia, beginning in 1975 and enthusiastically continued by the Clinton administration? Approximately 200,000 people died, if anyone's interested.
I'm guessing you didn't know about it, but also that now you do, you are highly unlikely to do any further reading about it because i) you don't simply don't care and ii) because it conflicts with what you desperately want to believe about the U.S. govt.
The U.S. government either participates in, or turns a blind eye to grave crimes against humanity committed by its allies or other strategically important countries. When it is not the one who initiated the crime in the first place, that is. Why is this so hard to acknowledge?
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By far the best superpower of all time in that regard.
Come on guy, why so stubborn? I'm not criticising you, and I'm not even criticising the American people. I am criticising the U.S. government.
So, to clarify your position, a champion of human rights is a country that has:
Codified the right to indefinitely detain its own citizens without right to a trial or lawyer (NDAA) and spy on them (PATRIOT Act); and overseas has overthrown democratically-elected leaders; bombed; invaded; supported dictators; suppressed movements for social change; organised assassinations; carried out murderous sanctions; trained death squads; conducted and facilitated biological and chemical warfare and torture... all that constitutes a champion of human rights? Nice.
This seems like a pretty comprehensive list of atrocities to me. Do explain how this list is deficient in highlighting rampant human rights abuses. I'm "dying" to hear it...
I mean, is there literally nothing that the U.S. govt could do for you to change your mind? What about if Obama himself put on a blindfold, faced a world map, and proceded to throw a dart. The objective of the game is that the closest country to where the dart lands will get nuked! Would you be defending the U.S. govt if that happened?
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Originally Posted by dadagggii
Nice post. I think this is the first time I run into someone on this forum who doesnt live in the world that the media have createt for them. If you havent, go see some George Carlin and Bill Hicks on youtube - you will find that they share many views of you and I.
Thanks, glad to hear you found it interesting. Will check out Carlin and Hicks.