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01-09-2013 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Can you guarantee no one ever will? We can actually ban stuff BEFORE it's used to kill an entire classroom, ldo.
lol this is great.

Also the line "if it saves one life than its worth it" is complete BS. We would have zero freedom, speed limited would be 10 mph, etc if that were true.
01-09-2013 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
Your loss then. I'll cliff one of his arguments just for discussion sake. The dispartity of force argument. In a world with no weapons the strongest man can dominate the weak. Most men are stronger and faster than most women. Often, the only effective defense a women has against a violent attack from a man is a firearm. Firearms level the playing field in self-defense situations by allowing the weakest among us to defend themselves from the strongest.
Firearms are the great equalizer. Never heard that one. But what happens when that woman's son grabs her gun, shoots her with it, then shoots up a classroom of kids?
01-09-2013 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Firearms are the great equalizer. Never heard that one. But what happens when that woman's son grabs her gun, shoots her with it, then shoots up a classroom of kids?
Apparently takes away the ability of every person in the US to defend themselves because we can't possibly do anything else to limit, stop and prevent that from happening.
01-09-2013 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Firearms are the great equalizer. Never heard that one. But what happens when that woman's son grabs her gun, shoots her with it, then shoots up a classroom of kids?
We look for ways to prevent that from happening that don't infringe on people's right to defend themselves.
01-09-2013 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hendricks433
Apparently takes away the ability of every person in the US to defend themselves because we can't possibly do anything else to limit, stop and prevent that from happening.
Apparently that hasn't happened yet. And it ain't gonna happen in america for at least 50 to 100 years. Your ponies are slow.
01-09-2013 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
We look for ways to prevent that from happening that don't infringe on people's right to defend themselves.
None if this will change your right to self defense. I don't think anyone is talking about changing self defense laws.
01-09-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun
http://www.samharris.org/blog

Haven't seen this posted. Harris destroys anti-gun arguments regarding self-defense with logic and math, then answers his critics with more. If your level of comprehension is still at the "gun are bad m'kay" level then this probably isn't for you. If you are an anti who considers himself a serious thinker give it a try.

If you don't know who Sam Harris is then check out his wiki page. Here is a hint. He isn't a Tea Party member.
The problem with your post here is that people should take the time to read this because it addresses issues on both sides of the debate and isn't as one-sided as you make it seem.
01-09-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hendricks433
That could receive mass backing. A lot of people will be relieved. The President using an Executive Order to protect the American people? hallelujah.
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01-09-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
We look for ways to prevent that from happening that don't infringe on people's right to defend themselves.
It's not possible to prevent this from happening without infringing on people's right to defend themselves.
01-09-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The definition of "sport" isn't limited to the Olympics. Plenty of people use AR-15 style rifles in shooting competitions.

So in this video he is demonstrating how to kill 20+ people in just 40 seconds.
Why he needs that?
Is he preparing for war? Shouldn't he be a member of a militia then?
Is he going to fight "bad guys" on his own, thus putting other people in danger by his reckless actions?
If its just a "sport" why can't he use an air rifle for same purpose?
Or is he preparing a terrorist act?

If he strives for authenticity and enjoyment, why cant the rifle just be safely kept at shooting range and not taken outside?
If I want to race on a powerful racing car, I take it to the racing track, not the busy city streets.
01-09-2013 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
None if this will change your right to self defense. I don't think anyone is talking about changing self defense laws.
Did you even read any of that or are you just ignoring it on purpose?
01-09-2013 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
The problem with your post here is that people should take the time to read this because it addresses issues on both sides of the debate and isn't as one-sided as you make it seem.
For a rational person open to both sides of the argument it's not one-sided. For a brady buncher who just wants to start banning stuff it is.
01-09-2013 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
It's not possible to prevent this from happening without infringing on people's right to defend themselves.
How so?
01-09-2013 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Can you guarantee no one ever will? We can actually ban stuff BEFORE it's used to kill an entire classroom, ldo.
Should have banned fertilizer then huh?

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The Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. It would remain the most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11, 2001 attacks. The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,[1] and injured more than 680 people.
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"The truck rental — $250. The fertilizer was about... it was either $250 or $500. The nitro methane was the big cost. It was like $1,500. Actually, lemme see, 900, 2,700,... we're talking $3,500 there... Lets round it up. I just gave you the major expenses, so go to like five grand... what's five grand?"

—Timothy McVeigh, on the cost of the preparation
01-09-2013 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by skinner3
So in this video he is demonstrating how to kill 20+ people in just 40 seconds.
Why he needs that?
Is he preparing for war? Shouldn't he be a member of a militia then?
Is he going to fight terrorists on his own, thus putting other people in danger by his reckless actions?
If its just a "sport" why can't he use an air rifle for same purpose?
Because the ability to control recoil is an integral part of shooting firearms and is not present in air rifles.

As for the rest of your questions, it's a hobby (well, for him, it's a profession because he gets paid to do it, but for the majority of people who compete in these competitions, it's just something they do on weekends). Might as well ask the chess player why he plays chess.
01-09-2013 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
None if this will change your right to self defense. I don't think anyone is talking about changing self defense laws.
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
It's not possible to prevent this from happening without infringing on people's right to defend themselves.
And winning#
01-09-2013 , 04:37 PM
Brady Bunch. Damn. What ****ty hand to be dealt as far as names go. Makes 'em sound like a bunch of wimps and weaklings.
01-09-2013 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by skinner3
So in this video he is demonstrating how to kill 20+ people in just 40 seconds.
Why he needs that?
Is he preparing for war? Shouldn't he be a member of a militia then?
Is he going to fight "bad guys" on his own, thus putting other people in danger by his reckless actions?
If its just a "sport" why can't he use an air rifle for same purpose?
Or is he preparing a terrorist act?

If he strives for authenticity and enjoyment, why cant the rifle just be safely kept at shooting range and not taken outside?
If I want to race on a powerful racing car, I take it to the racing track, not the busy city streets.
For the thousandth time, self defense. Anti gunners talk so much about how people aren't trained with guns and they just kill people on purpose or on accident and then when someone trains its pointless and they're obviously crazy for wanting to be able to use a weapon correctly and efficiently if they need to defend themselves with it.
01-09-2013 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
And winning#
Oh ya, what's the prize? The rest of the industrialized world begs to differ.
01-09-2013 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
For a rational person open to both sides of the argument it's not one-sided. For a brady buncher who just wants to start banning stuff it is.
Ok, lesson 2 for persuading people via arguments: don't call people you disagree with names. It's hard to get someone you call names to take you seriously.
01-09-2013 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
But people are able to determine how much gun violence is committed with .50 cal rifles vs. other types of guns, aren't they?
Theoretically possible? Sure. For random 2+2er? Probably not feasible. But that isn't what you guys are asking for, you're asking for a prediction about the future. Nobody here, or anywhere else, can give you a serious answer because its unknowable. I know you're on the .50 cal thing, and I think its great that nobody has ever committed a mass murder with that gun. I am not saying we should ban .50 cal rifles, or any gun necessarily. I just get rustled when people ask unanswerable questions and think they've made any kind of point about anything

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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
We look for ways to prevent that from happening that don't infringe on people's right to defend themselves.
the government is already actively infringing on your right to defend yourself. why haven't you gone ruby ridge yet?
01-09-2013 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hendricks433
How so?
The only way to absolutely prevent children from getting a hold of their parent's gun is for the parents to not own a gun in the first place. And not being able to own a gun would infringe on the parent's right to defend themselves with a gun.
01-09-2013 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal_me_In
We look for ways to prevent that from happening that don't infringe on people's right to defend themselves.
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
None if this will change your right to self defense. I don't think anyone is talking about changing self defense laws.
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Originally Posted by Hendricks433
Did you even read any of that or are you just ignoring it on purpose?
Gun ownership has to do with your ability to defend yourself, not your right. You have a right to gun ownership based on the 2nd amendment. Taking away the 2nd amendment would not take away your right to defend yourself. It would change how you are able to defend yourself. But in that case just get a taser or something.
01-09-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
Gun ownership has to do with your ability to defend yourself, not your right. You have a right to gun ownership based on the 2nd amendment. Taking away the 2nd amendment would not take away your right to defend yourself. It would change how you are able to defend yourself. But in that case just get a taser or something.
This is so key.

I'm not allowed to own an ICBM to protect myself from North Korea, but that doesn't mean my right to self defense has in anyway been suppressed.
01-09-2013 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack
Theoretically possible? Sure. For random 2+2er? Probably not feasible. But that isn't what you guys are asking for, you're asking for a prediction about the future. Nobody here, or anywhere else, can give you a serious answer because its unknowable. I know you're on the .50 cal thing, and I think its great that nobody has ever committed a mass murder with that gun. I am not saying we should ban .50 cal rifles, or any gun necessarily. I just get rustled when people ask unanswerable questions and think they've made any kind of point about anything
Actually the reason I ask that particular question and don't ask similar questions about other guns is PRECISELY because it IS knowable for that particular type of gun, or at least is as close to knowable as you're going to get.

      
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