Of course it wouldn't. But it would take away one's right to defend themselves with a gun, which is what this thread is all about.

Why cant I own an ICBM, the constitution says I have a right to it

Would all them chitlins be alive today if'n that school had a trained guard armed with a taser?

Interesting alternative to the NRA line.

tell that to a the lady who just had her house broken into and used a gun to stop him. Take away guns from people and the bigger and more brutal people take advantage of the smaller more defenseless people. This is why England's violent crime is so much higher than ours. It's not just a little bit higher, it's multiple times higher.

Great post. The bolded is disturbing.

Dude, turn your angry gun owner frown upside down. It was a question to pvn. Nothing more, nothing less.

From a epidemiological standpoint this isnt true. Having a gun in the house makes women more likely to die from domestic violence.

Men and women commit acts of violence towards each other at roughly the same rate, men however are vastly more likely to utilize deadlier weapons such as guns/knives when acting.

So if you want to protect the weaker, you take away guns from the stronger.

What about homicide rates?

We ignore that.

To protect the weak we must take away what will protect them?

Homicide is slightly higher but violent crime is through the roof. Doesn't seem like a great trade off.

We take away the things that will kill them the quickest and most reliably, real world data about domestic violence isn't on your side here, so its probably best for you to move along to a different topic.

This works both ways, lone, unfit, teenage druggies are enabled to commit crime against multiple adult men.

I dont know much about britian, this would be a good chance for me to learn and not sure whats considered the go to source for british stats.

What are the violent crime and homicide stats for each country? Suicide is also relevant so if you have a source with that grab those numbers too

Just a few days ago a guy broke into a ladies house and she shot him and stopped him. With out the gun who know what he does. This happens all the time. Shows in England where violent crimes are 3 or 4 times ours while homicide is slightly lower than ours. Of course the only thing in the world that matters is murders from guns.

Like I said before I dont know much about international crime so this would be an interesting learning experience for me. If your willing to grab the statistics from a reliable source I'd enjoy to have a discussion about them and see what we find.

For comparison, lets get the statistics from the 5 western countries most similar to the US in terms of GDP/capita. Lets look at violent crime, homicide, suicide and gun ownership rate.

(I added western so people arent freaking out over Japan)

I mean was it just a genuinely curious question about my personal preferences? I don't really have any desire to own a .50 cal.

Homicide rate in UK is like 4x that of the US IIRC.

Im genuinely interested in having a discussion about these international crime stats, but I dont want to take the time to gather all of them if its just going to get buried in the mire after 10 minutes. Would it be allowable to start a new thread about this?

Yeah, does this cover high power long range high capacity hammers that can smash 20 people's skulls in from a distance of 300 yards in less than ten seconds?

I mean, a gun really isn't that different from a hammer. You could say it brings the power of the mighty hammer to everyone's flabby little index finger.

Hendricks directly comparing violent crime stats is almost as bad as the per capita slip up well ago. Its a matter of classification, reporting and policing more then actual violence.

If you get arrested in the UK for threats/racial slurs over twitter is it a violent crime by their standards? I'd bet it is, but not sure.

Even if you accept that the standards of violent crime, rate of arrest, policing strategies (no huge war on drugs thus more arrests for actual criminals, which most pro gun people like, but hendricks apparently hates) the rate of violent crime is basically the inverse of homicides in uk v us. Fine trade off imo

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/gmaps_ra...?title=2012-Q1

wait is this really the same guy?

I want to make a new rule that you have to have made a B or higher in a college statistics class (that included regression) before posting any statistic in any thread ever on 2+2

Yes. It was a curious question to what you'd do with one.

I am not an antigun guy... I have some reservations with firearms, but I am not rushing off to get them banned or anything.

I read the entire thing, and was excited to learn. There is nothing interesting or new with anything he wrote.

1. He assumes things at the outset that are at the very least highly debatable (the only reliable way for one person to stop a man with a knife is to shoot him-when discussing school stabbings in china.)

2. You have said there is math and logic in this article, can you please point me to any of it? He makes arguments such as assault weapons bans wouldn't save many lives (which I agree with) as why he is against it and then says further restrictions are politically untenable at this point (which I agree with) but I dont know what that proves other than that we have society that values guns over human lives.

3. He never deals with the core argument that more guns=more crimes in even the slightest substantive way (hint- he can't because its literally not possible so far with any research put forward)

4. He says for the purpose of saving lives we should not focus on mass shootings (which I again in general agree with) but then talks about enlisting 100,000 armed guards introducing a gun into the school environment of 55 million young americans. (so even if these guards do positively stop school shootings, they could very easily be a net negative).

So he frames an argument that he is never going to lose because he makes the pretty uncontroversial conclusion that regulation that does not effectively control guns in america (assault weapons bans) will not lower the crime rate. well good i agree and so do most gun control advocates.

conservatives love to talk about how we should let states handle every problem from healthcare to education because it is this great experiment lab where we can figure out what is working, but will do every single thing they can to ignore any examples we can learn from other industrialized nation where they have managed to lower healthcare costs or limit gun violence, its such an obvious absurd viewpoint. im not even saying conservatism as a political philosophy does not have a lot of merits because i believe it does over a range of issues, but the way that every argument is made by conservative media to appeal to the base is so infuriatingly illogical.