I mean your conclusion was a complete non sequitur and your question wasn't even grammatically correct. I can, of course, find the conflict worth talking about but not find the topics of the past few days interesting enough to comment on. You were attaching an extraordinary amount of significance to me simply not commenting on whatever has been going on ITT in the past week. Quite silly.

Ya, you really aren't doing a good job of convincing me to care about your posts at all

I really don't care if you care about me , or my posts. I've said more than a few times before, you are a waste of reading time and space. You live in a fantasy world where everyone you want to be a good guy, is, regardless of their words and actions. You love to play devil's advocate and you do it with a minimal understanding, or none at all on the topic you're speaking about, and can't help but display that ignorance again and again. Your ignorance on the BDS campaign (which Gamblor just schooled you on) being just the most recent topic you shared your empty opinions on, and you still haven't acknowledge how far off from reality you were. In a vacuum, out of a vacuum, doesn't really matter- you're still a guy who has the nerve to come here and say that the people who defend Israel don't "critique their own side enough".

A good person, sure, not a hater, OK, but since you are someone who admitted he's here to "play the game" and "score points" , you should know that people who exist in reality and not in the Ukeniverse can see you really haven't scored any points , probably ever, and especially not vs the most educated person in this thread with regards to the Arab-Israeli conflict. No, not me. And by far, not you, not keed, not marty, not cookie, and pretty much all of team #notJewsjustZionists can count themselves out of being educated on the things they have opinions about.


The reason you should really ignore me (at present, anyway) is because i'm right, and you'll never show a BDS map that shows Israel existing, because BDS is a group that works towards Israel's destruction, period.

What?

My point is quite clear, I'm sorry if you are having trouble with your words

Let's be clear on the conversation thread. NC Flounce characterized BDS supporters as either wanting a genocide - a horrific accusation - or so naive they didn't realize they were calling for genocide. When you came this was downgraded to simply preferring jews don't exist. Now even if we accept the framing of talking specifically about what the leadership of the official BDS movement says - which is rather different from what various supporters of the movement globally might think - you don't come close to supporting these positions. The bolded below extends the quote you gave:

There is nothing genocidal here. There is nothing about wanting jews not to exist. Yes, this person believes in a one state solution, but it is explicitly a secular democracy that treats jews and muslims equal under the law. This person may be a massive anti-semite (maybe based on the second quote? I don't understand his point.), but this quote simply doesn't demonstrate it, and is so far away from the where the conversation began - these genocidal claims - it is laughable. Neither right or return or one state solution are genocidal. One doesn't need to be anti-semitic to think either of them. And one doesn't need to think either of them to support BDS. This is all just so tenuous.

Great. Put me on ignore, or don't, doesn't matter to me. Either way, this is the last clause of yours I'm going to bother reading.

I'm not saying there would be genocide, but if the BDS movement of Canada gets what they want, Hamas is more likely to be voted into power in Israelistine than Canadian Mathematicians.

Majority of Palestinians still support a 2-state solutions btw and a strong 71% majority are against abandoning a 2-state solution altogether.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Co...ll-says-381141

Lol

Why are you talking to me as if I ever said genocidal. I wasn't defending his point, I was objecting to the framing of the debate as "downgrading" his argument.

I explicitly asserted they demand Arab majority, you demanded proof, I provided proof, and nothing you said here addresses that proof in the context of that assertion.

If you're asking for a defence of Nc Flounce's positions you might want to ask him.

can you provide a link to the poll data? Is that the poll where the majority said they support the two-state solution, but only as an interim solution to eventually retake all of "historic Palestine"?

I did some snooping around, and without directly addressing specific points in your post, it looks more and more like the Israel border isn't the limiting factor. Money is.

According to this article, at least.
Here's why:
So basically nobody trusts Hamas, that hasn't given up its stranglehold on Gaza (despite the "Unity" government).

The United Nations Development Program also admitted it only received a tiny fraction of the funding it needs.
Nobody - not the Arab countries that don't deliver on pledges; not the UN, the NGOs, not anyone - is willing to say that Palestinian leadership is corrupt, that Hamas is stealing whatever comes into Gaza, and that Arab states have no interest in actually helping Palestinians. Because if you tell Palestinians that their leadership is their own biggest problem... well, the UNRWA subtly threatens us:
No quiet means war, terrorism, violence. The Palestinians' perpetual blackmail. And Israel is always to blame and is always the target.

You said this: Is it not completely fair to say that you downgraded NC Flounces comments about it being genocidal to to simply preferring jews don't exist? What about the framing are you rejecting here. He said a more extreme thing. You downgraded it to a less extreme thing. Whatever, choose whatever verb you like. But don't pretend as if I have been trying to subtly imply you were the one who said the genocide, it is clear I am objecting to your comments that they would simply prefer Jews not to exist.

The important point though is that the claim that they simply prefer Jews not exist was not at all substantiated by your post. Indeed, from the source you linked, it seems this one particular person actually favours a secular democracy where jews and muslims are treated equally under the law. This isn't antisemitic. This isn't wanting jews not to exist. This isn't genocide. It isn't even on the spectrum. And I think your selective quoting here to deliberately leave out these calls from the paragraph is disingenuous at best.

While "simply prefer Jews to not exist" is absolutely ludicrous, trying to read a call for a secular democracy with equal rights for all as an "Arab Muslim-controlled state in all of Israel" is a stretch. Given your new characterization as simply meaning an "Arab majority"...okay...sure, one democratic state would have an arab majority but this is hardly the kind of connotation the original brings up, at least not in my mind, and certainly not in a sentence that begins with saying they would prefer Jews not to exist.

You can disagree with right of return. You can disagree with a one state solution. But pointing out that someone wants these things doesn't get you to antisemitism, and frankly your constant attempts to try and shoehorn everything and anything as antisemitic is running into crying wolf problems.

Anyway I checked out BDS País Valencià twitter, they finally got around to check Matisyahu lyrics to justify the whole fiasco and dug up this particular gem:
"I'm dropping bombs on your moms"
I **** you not.

If you can figured out wtf he is droning on about, you're a better man than I http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/matisyahu/heights.html

This would be bad if you interpret it as talking about dropping bombs on gazan mothers. But concluding that from these lyrics says more about you than it does about him.

I didn't concude it was about Gaza, BDS did, I just find it funny, the lengths they are willing to go, to rationalize the enormously moronic actions.

So it's seems I condone the cancelling of a concert and the anti semitism that went with it just by not condemning it ITT - as if my opinion matters to anyone here and if I did condemn it I seriously doubt it would change anyone's perception of me, especially flounce.

How about no and maybe you should need to have evidence before making such claims.

This is horrible logic. People who feel the need to criticize someone for a variety of reasons, then clam up when someone related misbehaves don't get to say "well my opinion doesn't matter so why would you expect me to say anything"

And yes, being intellectually and ethically consistent would go a long way to changing everyone's perception of you.

But it's very telling that you now tried to justify your silence, as opposed to just taking the easy way out and saying "sure, that's horrible bigotry, I just didn't happen to reply".

Gamblor going full BDS ITT.
Would you like him to publish a letter explaining his position or a video perhaps?

None of what I said is new, and none of what you said relates to what I said - at least, in the context I was saying it. If you want to reframe it that's your choice.

In criminal law, it is murder both when you murder and when you do something that you knowingly do a thing that will cause a murder. Like, you can't say "I only put a bomb under his car, he's the one that set it off when he started it."

Obviously there are other reasons one might demand a secular democracy, but in light of the history of Palestinian Arab demands and behaviour - outright rejection of partition, the wars of annihilation, discrimination against Jews, support of Nazism, demonization of Jews in mainstream media, anti-semitic propaganda, and more - there's no reason to believe that an Arab controlled state is not the primary reason for that demand.

I find it quite easy to condemn what has happened, no idea why I should be compelled to do so in here tho.

I don't feel the need to change your perception of me.

Ostensibly, you post in here when you feel that there has been discrimination and bigotry in the context of the thread title. That's why you might have been compelled to say something.

Don't we all do that every time we post?

Did I accidentally wander into the music festival thread?

That's not really true, I post in here when I see something that interests me.

Ok, I wholeheartedly condemn the concert promoters/BDS for having the front to ask only 1 performer (the Jewish guy) to sign up to a hastily scripted free Palestine manifesto and the banning of his concert is outrageous.

Personally after receiving the apology and being invited to play again I'd have told them to shove their concert because I was busy doing a free gig in the middle of Tel Aviv.

Now what has my condemnation achieved? Welcome pack with 'TEAM NOT HATER' badge?