This is useless. I recall Gamblor once saying that he wants lurkers to see the truth, a valid point, but how many can there be? It's the same argument w/ the same people, the same things being said. IMO, let the haters have their version of the nazi sites and ignore them and the thread will die the death it should.

Of course, this is the problem. The ethnoreligious group targeted by the highest percentage of hate crimes against minorities - as SenorKeeed laughably tried to deny - is somehow not a minority, and hate speech against them is somehow not bannable.

IIRC, the Arabic word for "Hasbara" is Abana. Perhaps we all ought to accuse every Israel-hater itt of toeing the Abana-line.

There are more lurkers than you think. This whole thread is a microcosm of the conflict. Haters post wild and random attacks, anything to make Israel look horrible (subway posters!). The Israelis slap them away.

When the haters stop the attacks on Israel, you get peace and quiet.

Just like real life.

White South Africans used to say exactly the same thing....lovely and quiet around here except for when those wretched blicks start causing problems.

And Jews in Germany used to think it was not that big a problem when people were anti-semitic *******s.

They were clearly wrong to think that. It's not as if they occupied Germany's land, built walls, had armed security checks, then started killing stone throwing German kids, is it?

Edit. You modified your post after I posted this lol

Yeah, whiney Jews always whining about the holocaust.

We didn't occupy Palestinian land. Those of us who moved there after the war emigrated to British territory.

And how about those later?

Meh, I'm not even going to get into the history rehash after it started with the anti-Semitic bull**** about South Africa, one of many places in the world where the British contributed to horrific misery.

Of course you won't.

Btw citing historical British mistakes conducted at a time when the world generally knew no better doesn't exonerate current Israeli mistakes in a far more enlightened world, and crying anti-semitism every time someone points out such things doesn't help your cause.

(To your atrocity exhibition you can add the treatment of Native Americans. I wonder why you haven't)

Yeah, lolfrezi is correct. Jews, returning from exile around the world to their indigenous homeland and decolonizing it, is the real injustice here.

Jalfrezi, are you simply trolling? Obv we can argue (and I'd agree) that the occupation of people is happening in the WB and is very (very) wrong.

When you say broad things like Israeli occupied Palestinian land it basically means I should go back to Europe. I don't have a European passport tho. Can you help?

If you're just trolling that's fine. If that's your view of history, then it's a shame, cause I think I remember that when you came here you were more eager to learn about the conflict.

Oh man

How Gamblor apparently views himself

lolGamblol. How many generations do most Israeli Jews have to go back to legitimately call it their "homeland"? Does that give me the right to automatically "return" to Scandinavia or Germany or France if I traced my ancestry back the same number of generations to those places? What utter ****ing nonsense you speak sometimes.

If you want to talk instead about a safe haven from persecution, that's another matter that we can agree on (and previously have).

I'm afraid I have no idea about your personal history and how long you and your family have been in Israel. I was referring to recent settlers in the West Bank. I hope that's clear now.

Since 1920s. My Wife's family has been here since 1880s.

I honestly never understood why people go to this route (the who was here before). The important thing is that people in WB are occupied. Not that land is occupied, cause that's a debate which is impossible to win by either side.

I guess that's part of why I'm preaching for a one state solution (which might very well be impossible). Regardless, Israel isn't a simple case of colonized land. No matter how left wing I'm considered in my homeland, even I won't argue that. The 67 border is a compromise based on somewhat arbitrary events. It's not an actual divide of some historic significance. It was a good compromise X years ago, but my government and PLO leadership in Tunis kinda ****ed it up.

It riles me when people talk about "homelands", especially wrt to the ME which is the "homeland" of every human being.

I am skeptical that that's what you meant. It certainly was not clear.

East Africa.

I thought the use of the word "occupation" in this context would be clear, but I can see how it might have been misconstrued. No need to get your knickers in a twist.

East Africa and the ME (as far as we know).

And of course Americans, well British from 1620-1776, killed and took land from Indigenous people and then captured a large amount of land from Mexico as well. Why would I have a problem admitting that? This country was full of the same kind of bastard Euros that were pogromming my family at the time. This country really only got great when it actually started taking masses of wretched masses like my Grandparents and Great Grandparents.

Would this be the same family whose homeland is now apparently in the ME?

ps Pogrom is a noun, not a verb. Please stop this horrible abuse of grammar.

ME is a somewhat arbitrary term. AFACT the oldest human remain found in the ME outside of Africa is 55,000 years old.

Not that this is more than just an aside. I'm also not a big fan of homelands and I do not respect any position that a person is not entitled to live in the area where they were born.

I really think anyone should have the right to go anywhere and like Crocodile Dundee said, fighting over land is like fleas arguing over who owns the dog.

Personally, I am never homelanding. I just want Jews to provide for their own defensing.