Of course I want an investigation.

They did!

Well you're the one who keeps comparing it to an employee getting fired and asking why should students get some sort of hearing if employees don't.

I want an investigation if an employee gets accused of sexual misconduct as well! And that will happen in every corporation in America.

Corporations are not required by the US constitution or anything else to do an investigation. They can just fire your ass without any sort of investigation. Feel free to make clear why you're talking about corporations precisely, because you're not making any god damn sense.

Sorry you're so confused. So, again, how are bros being denied "due process"? What do you think due process is for a college student accused of sexual misconduct?

So you're just going to completely drop BUT CORPORATIONS line then? Ok, whatever.

What? My point was that DUE PROCESS is different for getting fired from a job for sexual assault than like getting convicted of rape. Similarly, DUE PROCESS for getting suspended from college is different from getting convicted of rape.

But you don't seem particularly interested in telling us exactly how these bros are having their DUE PROCESS rights violated. Shocking!

There is literally no due process required whatsoever.
No, not similarly. Due process is required for getting suspended from school. It is emphatically not required by corporations.
The fact that I'm not taking you seriously is nothing more than me not taking you seriously.

College sets standard for rape. (Don't put your penis in someone who says no before hand)

College finds out this happened.

College makes investigation, has hearing.

College decides to suspend student.

Yeah. I'm pretty interested in the definition of due process that stops this being it.

Goss was about a public high school, and it's holding was literally just that students are entitled to a hearing of some sort prior to being removed from a school(because attending that school was a tax-supported entitlement).

The decision goes on to say:

So, again, ikes, revots, what exactly is the due process concern that you guys have? Because while this keeps popping up, your actual complaints seem to be:

1) Preponderance instead of clear and convincing standard of proof at hearings, which is obviously not a due process issue

2) Drunk sex = rape polices that don't exist, and also wouldn't be a due process issue if they did

3) Worldwide SJW anti-male discrimination conspiracy that also doesn't exist, and I guess could be a due process issue if they were implementing their conspiracy through denial of due process? But that's not the complaint.

You guys mostly just find hearings whose outcome upsets you and then bitch about them.

Right, everyone understands that you can't actually articulate anything beyond MALES ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. You can't even say how bros aren't getting due process. Run along.

Just gonna leave this here...

"I stopped raping her when she asked me"

LOL the above probably gets them in trouble. Typically a fair impartial investigation/hearing needs to be before they found out this happened.

1) Colleges have not set their own standards for rape investigations. The federal government has used a laughably broad interpretation of title IX to impose a preponderance of evidence standard.

2) It's not due process if you ignore every piece of exculpatory evidence, withhold exculpatory evidence or ignore your own rules.

and? No one is suggesting anything contrary to this.

Which colleges have a policy of ignoring or withholding exculpatory evidence?

Yes it is? Weighing the evidence is PART OF due process. The outcome of that weighing is not.

I don't know what this means. Withhold from who?

This is the only thing that could be a due process violation. But it also be not a due process violation, because it depends on what rules you ignore. A rule that you're entitled to notice and a hearing? Yep, due process. I'm unclear what rules are getting ignored, though.

ikes, what I think we're getting at is that you don't know what the phrase "due process" means.

BRB going to sue Harvard for pre-expelling me without a hearing just because I didn't apply for admission. MAH DO PRECESS RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOMATED.

Also suing the Marines for not letting me fly a helicopter, again, no hearing. Where are my rights? WHAT ABOUT ME!

#TeamLetFlyFly LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD.

No, it's not. Setting up a process to systematically **** over one side of the party is not 'due process', and when that system is used to **** over one sex, it's a title ix violation.

MALES ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST

I'm glad we agree. Now what sort of steps could a college take to move the balance back towards the sex that systematically gets ****ed over?

So you want to have the same conversation that we've had 3-4 times in this thread?

OK

Ikes, you bumped this thread to have the same conversation you have always wanted to have here.